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Venice Overview
Venice is a gorgeous and romantic city that doesn't disappoint. It's a fantastic place to spend Shabbos because there are several points hotel options, a Chabad with several meal options, the ability to carry and because the biggest attraction of Venice - just simply walking the streets and bridges - is a perfect Shabbos activity which will keep you from just be sitting bored in a hotel room.

Trip Reports:
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Getting there and getting around:

How long should I go for?
There really aren't too many activities to do in Venice, so a 1-2 day trip could cover the must see/do sights, but the city is so beautiful that you won't regret a longer stay! Because the sights are mostly just walking around the streets, checking out the shops, etc. many people find spending just a Shabbos/weekend in Venice is enough to get their fill. Arrive on a Friday and leave Sunday evening and you'll get your fill. (Again, a longer stay rocks too!)

Travelling around Italy/Getting to Venice
Most often, if you're making a trip from USA to Venice, you're not just going to see Venice, but rather a few cities in Italy. When visiting Italy there are a few ways to travel around - trains, rent a car, or if you're going directly from one end of Italy (let's say Rome) to the other end (let's say Milan or Venice), it could be you'll want to fly.

Air:
If Venice is your first stop in Italy, then you'll likely be coming via air. VCE is the airport code, and the airport is not actually in Venice proper (no, the planes don't land in the canals). Rather, you'll have to take a water bus or water taxi from the airport to Venice proper. The water buses to/from the airport are run by a company called Alilaguna (buses here aren't run by the city), take around an hour to get to San Marco Square (the main points hotel location) and cost 14euro. You can buy a roundtrip in advance for 25euro. Private water taxis take around 1/2 hour, but are a lot more expensive. Because people arrive at VCE from many different locations, it's not practical to discuss the different routes you can take to get here.

Train:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then you may want to look into travelling via rail. There are 2 main train companies in Italy - TrenItalia and Treno Italo. Rates vary on a bunch of factors and neither site is fantastically designed, so check them out and ask for some help here if you need. Alternatively you can use loco2.com which is an easy to use site all in English it has all the options and they don’t charge anybooking fees. The express train Rome-Venice takes about 3:45 hours and the overnight takes 5.5-6.5 hours. As opposed to the airport, St. Lucia Train Station is actually in Venice proper. Once you arrive, you can take a Vaporetto to your desired location (again, likely San Marco Square). See "Getting around Venice" below for Vaporetto prices. You can also take a private water taxi, which won't have any stops, but will cost a lot more.

Car Rental:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then besides for taking trains, you may find that a car rental suits your needs better, especially if you plan on hitting up several cities along the way as taking a train usually means having to get a cab or bus to/from each train station from your hotel. That time/cost plus the cost of the trains may cause you to decide on a car rental instead. Since it's Europe, expect a manual car unless you pay more for an automatic. Driving in Italy may bother you if you're not super comfortable driving, but in terms of driving in Venice, don't be concerned. You'll be coming from a highway (which is just like highway driving back home), you'll get off onto normal sized/paved roads and within a few minutes, will likely be at your car rental dropoff - outside of Venice proper. There are no cars in Venice (although there is a Hertz in Venice proper that you could actually drive to and drop your car off, but rates at that location are super expensive), so you will likely drop your car off near the Venice-Mestre Train Station - not the St. Lucia station that's actually in Venice - but a second train station that's just outside Venice proper. From Mestre station, a 10 minute, 2 euro train ride will get you into St. Lucia station and from there you can follow the options listed above to get to your hotel.

Getting around Venice
If you're staying in the Jewish Ghetto or near San Marco Square (we'll get to where to stay soon), you'll be within walking distance (max 1/2 hour) of all the main sites in Venice. Even still, many people like to take a public water bus, known as a Vaporetto, to travel down the canals. You can buy tickets at many Vaparetto stops. An individual one way ride costs 7 euro, but there are also 24/48/72 hour passes that cost 20/30/40 euro, respectively. If you're between the ages of 14-29, you can buy a 72 hour Youth Pass for just 20 euro. It's possible that you may need to first purchase a "Rolling Venice" guidebook (should be available at the ticket counter) for 4 euro before they'll let you buy the Youth pass, but you can find that out at the ticket counter and even 24 euro is a great deal. There's also a special roundtrip beach ticket to Lido that costs 10 euro. Do some math to see what kind of pass will work best for you.


Where to stay:

There are 2 main areas where people normally stay: 1) The Jewish Ghetto, which is where the Shuls/restaurants are, as well as some Kosher hotels, but no points hotels and 2) San Marco Square, about a 1/2 hour walk from the Ghetto, but where most of the points hotels are. The walk is very nice, and helps you accomplish the "activity" of seeing the streets while on the way to your destination. The 30 minute walk may hinder your desire to make it to Shul for all Tefillos. YMMV ;)

Here are some places that are discussed in this thread:

NameAreaMore InfoComments
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Pardes RimonimJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Carnival Place<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsiteNicest hotel near the Ghetto
Locanda Del GhettoJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Westin Europa and ReginaSan Marco SquareWebsiteSPG Cat. 6; 20-25K/night. Beautiful hotel with marble lobby and a luxurious feel.
Comfort Hotel DianaSan Marco SquareWebsite10K Choice/night. Definitely dated, but kinda rustic in that regard. Cheapest points hotel option in the points hotel-lacking city of Venice.
Grand Hotel Dei Dogi, Autograph Collection<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsite45K Marriott/night.
JW Marriott Venice Resort & SpaNOT able to walk to the Ghetto, But Free ShuttleWebsite40K Marriott/night.
"Get your own place"AnywhereAirBNB, VRBO, HomeAwayRenting an apartment can be a great option in Venice especially if your family is large enough that you would otherwise have to get a few hotel rooms. You can find apartments near the Ghetto, and with meals at Chabad, this can definitely be a cheaper option than a hotel.

There are 2 other SPG properties, Hotel Danieli and The Gritti Palace, but there are some downsides to them. Both are SPG Cat. 7 which means you'll be paying a premium to stay there. Danieli is in the Square, but in Dan's TR you'll see that he pointed out there's no manual door, which poses an issue on Shabbos. Dan also writes that Gritti is 10 minutes away from the Square. The Gritti has  undergone extensive renovations and is now fresh and on par with Aman. Many consider it worth it the distance from Chabad. There are very few base rooms, so upgrades are easy to come by.


What to do:

As said a few times so far, the highlight of a trip to Venice is walking the streets/canals and checking out the boundless shops that line the streets. But, there are of course some actual activities that one can do, although it's hard to say that any are "must-do"s.

Attractions & Activities
NameMore InfoComments
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Doge's PalaceWebsiteYou can get a classic tour of the palace, or you can opt for the Secret Itineraries tour, which will take you down to the dungeons where the prison was and up to the top floors to see offices, a torture chamber, and a court room while listening to the story of Casanova's supposed escape. The Secret Itineraries tour does not cover the main rooms in the palace, but you are free to walk around afterwards on your own.
Jewish Museum/ Ghetto TourWebsiteThe Jewish Museum offers tours of the museum and Ghetto. While the tours of the Ghetto in Rome are highly recommended by DDFers (and many would say a trip to Rome without a tour is nuts), there is not too much talk on DDF about the tours of the Venice Ghetto. Take that as you will. The tour is closer to an hour and costs 10 euro. Without the tour, you can't get in to see the nice Shuls that are not open that season.
Gondola RideN/AYou'll see gondolas everywhere you look. There are a few places where can get one that will take you on a 5 minute ride just going across the width of the canal for a couple of euro (called a "Traghetto"). There are options to get a private, 45-60 minute ride that usually costs around 90 euro. And finally, there's an in between option where you'll be in your own gondola among a group of others that are in their own gondolas. Some companies offer music and a serenade. Do some Googling to see different prices. A gondola ride will give you an additional "real feel" of Venice, but passing on it to save some money isn't a crazy idea. Walking the canals yourself is quite amazing.
San Marco SquareN/AWhether your hotel is in this area or not, this is a nice stop on your walks. A huge, open square with restaurants and shops overlooked by the large church and clock tower. During the day, you'll see people feeding pigeons, and at night, you'll see plenty of street vendors trying to get you to buy a rose for DW or a light up flying saucer. You can go up the bell tower for 8 euro for a beautiful view and you can get the very interesting audio guide for an additional 4 euro.
Lido BeachN/AIf you're in Venice for a few days, perhaps you'll enjoy a quick Vaporetto ride to Lido, where a 10 minute walk will get you onto a free public beach. Warning: Remember that this is a European beach.
Padua                ??                 Synagogue and cemetery dating to the 1500's.

Luxury Launch's Venice Guide nice list of different things to do in Venice


Shuls/Shabbos:

NameMore InfoComments
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Jewish Community of VeniceWebsiteIn the Ghetto, there are 2 community Shuls - one used during the summer and the other during the winter - that are both right next to each other. There are daily Minyanim.
ChabadWebsite


Google Doc to sign up for meals
In the Ghetto, Chabad has their own Shul/Beis Medrash that acts as the Yeshiva for the Chabad students as well as a Shul during daily Minyanim. They also own a storefront that acts as the Chabad house. Chabad owns the fleishig restaurant, Gam Gam, as well as the pizza shop, Gam Gam Goodies, that are described below. On Shabbos, Chabad hosts several meal options. First of all, you could order takeout in advance and pick it up or have it delivered to your hotel. But where's the fun in that? For meals at Chabad, the options have changed as of June 1, 2015:

1) A Meal is offered after Davening both on Friday night and Shabbos day Kiddush - no reservations necessary. This is similar to the previous "free meals" that Chabad used to offer. The meal takes place in the Shul after davening. The meal provides the opportunity to sit at a big meal with Jews from all over the world with all different types of backgrounds, which many found to be an awesome experience. Please note that the "free meals" may be a little more limited in terms of options and quantities of food.

*Pre-reserved meals*
In the old system, there was only 1 way to reserve your own table, but now there are 2 ways. Meals can not be divided between the two locations and are served at any time you want after Davening. Reservations for both options can be made by emailing info@jewishvenice.org and including the calendar date of the Shabbos you will be there and the names/emails of each attendee, as well as choosing one of the below options:

2) Shabbos in the Gallery - This option existed under the old system. Three meals at a private table in a storefront near Gam Gam that normally functions as an art gallery. 90 euro per person

3) Luxury1 Shabbos at Gam Gam Restaurant - Three meals at your private table, with more of a luxury atmosphere & meal, including more food choices, than the Gallery. Minimum donation is 126 euro per person.
Ghimmel GardensWebsite


Food:

NameMore InfoComments
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Gam GamWebsiteA nice fleishig restaurant, owned by the Chabad Rabbi. Some food is better than others, the service is pretty classic, and the prices are a bit above reasonable. But hey, it's Kosher food in Venice! You can eat outside literally at the edge of the canal, which is pretty sweet unless it's cold at night. Reservations are recommended as it can get crowded.
Gam Gam GoodiesN/ALocated just a few steps from Gam Gam, this is a small storefront that serves as a pizza shop (no seating unfortunately, but you can find benches further along in the Ghetto and are welcome to sit in the Chabad house storefront to eat). You might also find other foods like falafel, chocolates, packaged deli and fresh baked goods, which can be great for breakfast (and deli and rolls can be great for a cheaper dinner or to take food with you to your next destination that might not have Kosher food). Pizza is priced fairly and is tasty.
Volpe BakeryWebsiteRight across the alley from Gam Gam Goodies is a bakery serving fresh breads and pastries. According to the link, it's under supervision from the Chief Rabbi of Venice (not the Chabad Rabbi), however, DDFers question the Kashrus here. As of July 2014, the Chazzan at the Italian Shul said he goes into the bakery to light the fire every morning and therefore you can eat there. The place is open on Shabbos, but it must be owned by a non-Jew (or else how could it get a hashgacha?) So, there are some concerns and you may want to check into the Kashrus before you go, but the locals sure make it seem like it's fine.
FrulalaWebsiteFresh fruit smoothies that the locals will tell you are Kosher as long as you get the water-based versions. There are 2 locations - a storefront and a kiosk - that are both on the main walk from San Marco Square to the Ghetto. The drinks are tasty and refreshing, while being reasonably priced. They also offer free shotglass-sized samples, which are a great way to get a quick thirst quencher while walking!
Ghimel GardenTheir FB pageFrom Hershelsdeals Gimmal Garden is a real restaurant, Gam Gam goodies doesn't even have chairs, and is officially a bakery, not a restaurant. so you can't even compare. GamGam goodies opens at 7AM and sells breakfast, Gimmal Garden only opens at 10AM and closes 10PM
Gimmal Garden also offers Shabbos meals, Friday night is meat and Shabbos day is dairy.The food at Gimmal is excellent, they have Pizza, Fish dishes, Pasta, salads, Falafel  ETC....

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #180 on: September 22, 2010, 09:15:14 AM »
I tried to search for C&P, didn't find any availability. Do I need to call or am I not searching correctly?
I'm seeing plenty of C&P availability at the Westin on spg.com in 2010 (nothing for 2011 loaded yet) and plenty of C&P availability at the Gritti on spg.com in 2011 (bizarrely, nothing for 2010)
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #181 on: November 18, 2010, 03:53:18 PM »
i was wondering if some people can give me some advice on my upcoming trip to italy next summer. I am going with my wife and baby. I am landing mon morning in rome and thought to stay till thurs night and then take  the train to venice for shabbos.

My flight home is the next wednesday so I was thinking of maybe going for an overnight trip to florence is this a good idea?

Also in regards to spg hotels in these places any body have recommendations for rome and florence

I am a spg gold member (not much) and my main concern is a bigger room bec of the baby. So in regards to venice the westin basic room says its 181ft which is tiny and i dont think its wise to rely on a upgrade in the busy season of august.So does it make sense to book the griiti which according to spg the basic room is double the size of 350 sq ft or for 2.5k more a 500 sq ft room.

Also, since i will be in venice for  6 days should i take advantage of cash and pts(available) or  5th free with just points.
thank you so so much for your advice

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #182 on: December 22, 2010, 09:44:44 PM »
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?

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« Reply #183 on: December 22, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?
Meh.
I vote for the gondola across the canal (forgot what it's called, look at my trip notes) for ~50 cents instead of $100+
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #184 on: December 23, 2010, 12:14:46 AM »
Meh.
I vote for the gondola across the canal (forgot what it's called, look at my trip notes) for ~50 cents instead of $100+

I was in Venice for almost a year and I never took a Gondola, not even a 1 Euro one.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #185 on: December 23, 2010, 02:18:43 AM »
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?
anywhere along the grand canal. its definitely overpriced, but a must imo (youre married i assume)

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #186 on: December 23, 2010, 09:01:20 AM »
dont go by the station area, but rather from san marco inwards, by the bridge of sighs etc.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #187 on: December 23, 2010, 09:22:56 AM »
anywhere along the grand canal. its definitely overpriced, but a must imo (youre married i assume)

Yes I'm married. And since Dan and his site practically helped me get free business tickets and just about free hotels, the least I can do is splurge and stick my wife on a Gandola (and have plenty of Gelato).

Just some general overseas question as this will be our first country visiting outside of E"Y. Can I survive on credit cards (probably not on Gandola)? Do I need to exchange money? Do I do in JFK? Do I do in Venice? What do I do with the leftovers? Can I exchane back? Are tipping standards the same as in US? Thanks...
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« Reply #188 on: December 23, 2010, 09:40:36 AM »
not sure about the gelato part
when i was there 2.5 years ago, cc's were widely accepted, but ive read that recently the machines only read the european ones that have a chip.
so yes you have to exchange money. do you seriously expect somebody here to tell you how much?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #189 on: December 23, 2010, 10:08:30 AM »
so yes you have to exchange money.

Where? Is it easy to exchange more if I need (like in hotel)?

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« Reply #190 on: December 23, 2010, 10:20:01 AM »
as a general rule, the hotel will give you a pretty bad rate. i would change at your local bank

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« Reply #191 on: December 23, 2010, 11:29:10 AM »
i was there in the summer last year and had no problems getting money fron an atm. it is pos that it has changed as far as cc a lot of the places do not accept amex so make sure you have a mastercard or visa with

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« Reply #192 on: December 23, 2010, 12:10:24 PM »
to kivabb when you going and where you staying?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #193 on: December 23, 2010, 12:26:58 PM »
You need money and lots of it.  I'd recommended taking out from an ATM as needed.
The Chabad restaurants only take cash.
Many credit card machines (like buying tickets for the ferries) require chip and pin, so you'll need cash there as well.
When I bought transfer tickets for the boat to San Marco I paid with a credit card and it posted as a cash advance.  Although I was able to get it changes, it was a big pain.

And if you want any goods from the various stands you need cash.
There are also tons of fake purses, pretty good quality.  They ask for 200 Euro but they can be negotiated down to 10 or possibly even 5 Euro if you are good.  Of course cash only.

And don't get too excited over the kosher gelato.  It's nothing that special, although the other stuff from the gam gam bakery is.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #194 on: January 23, 2011, 09:24:50 PM »
Will be in Venice for 2.5 days in May.
Can I get away with these (or others) for lunch and dinner?

Le - Balthazar
Teva
Kosher Bakery
Gam Gam

Can anyone help me with priority list based on experience?

Dan, can you do with these like you did on LA forum or you just say Gam Gam  :D .....?

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« Reply #195 on: January 23, 2011, 09:34:23 PM »
I've only been to Gam Gam (meat) Gam Gam Treats (Pizza/Bakery), and Frulala (Fruit Smoothies, owned by shomer shabbos Israelis, not under anyone's supervision).  I wrote more about them in my Venice trip notes on the main site.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #196 on: January 23, 2011, 09:35:53 PM »
I've only been to Gam Gam (meat) Gam Gam Treats (Pizza/Bakery), and Frulala (Fruit Smoothies, owned by shomer shabbos Israelis, not under anyone's supervision).  I wrote more about them in my Venice trip notes on the main site.

So did you bring food from US or did you wine and dine?

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« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2011, 09:39:38 PM »
So did you bring food from US or did you wine and dine?
I actually flew to Venice from TLV.  We didn't bring any food with us nor did we need to.
Gam Gam even double wrapped sandwiches for us that the airline warmed up which was nice.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2011, 10:02:34 PM »
Will be in Venice for 2.5 days in May.
Can I get away with these (or others) for lunch and dinner?

Le - Balthazar
Teva
Kosher Bakery
Gam Gam

Can anyone help me with priority list based on experience?

Dan, can you do with these like you did on LA forum or you just say Gam Gam  :D .....?

Thanks

IDK how Kosher the 'Kosher' bakery is.

What is Le - Balthazar?
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2011, 11:06:53 PM »
IDK how Kosher the 'Kosher' bakery is.

What is Le - Balthazar?

Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html