Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA

[Ergel]

It's interesting that Jews have such a strong opinion on this.  Any legislation/court ruling that doesn't condone killing Jews is fine by me.  They can do whatever they want, its their country.

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A really great perspective here
http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/762689/Rabbi_Eli_Baruch_Shulman/Pilegesh_b'Givah_and_the_Murder_of_Leiby_Kletzky

[DP7]

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A really great perspective here
http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/762689/Rabbi_Eli_Baruch_Shulman/Pilegesh_b'Givah_and_the_Murder_of_Leiby_Kletzky

Fine if you disagree. I am not however talking about the uproar from talmidei chachamim. Will try to listen later, thanks for the link.

[good sam]

From a legal perspective I agree with the opinion (disclaimer: I didn't read it yet, based on my current understanding).  Conservatives should see this as a victory for Federalism.  If a state says that two people are married, where does the federal gov't come off saying they're not?  Yet again, (ala Bush v. Gore) the Supreme Court justices all swap sides in order to stay in line with their policy objectives.

Had they found a constitutional right for gays to marry, that would be a different story, buy they haven't done that (yet).

[CountValentine]

It's interesting that Jews have such a strong opinion on this.

What is so interesting? I would expect most to have a strong opinion on this.

[Achas Veachas]

What is so interesting? I would expect most to have a strong opinion on this.

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If you think Jews have a strong opinion wait till you talk to an Evangelical

[Dan]

It's interesting that Jews have such a strong opinion on this.  Any legislation/court ruling that doesn't condone killing Jews is fine by me.  They can do whatever they want, its their country.

Article from the Rosh circa 2000 on the topic:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/other_voices/article/the_torah_a_moral_compass_20000714

[DP7]

Article from the Rosh circa 2000 on the topic:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/other_voices/article/the_torah_a_moral_compass_20000714

Had a different "the Rosh" in mind when I clicked on the link.

[Achas Veachas]

Article from the Rosh circa 2000 on the topic:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/other_voices/article/the_torah_a_moral_compass_20000714

As CV said, most here know what is wrong, the question is what do we do about those who chose to act wrongly, is this something for the government to get involved in or not?

[Dan]

Had a different "the Rosh" in mind when I clicked on the link.

To any lubavitcher the "Rosh" is R' Ezra Shochet. Learned in BMG (and considered an ilui by RA"K) and in Brisk before becoming lubavitch.  Definitely the most interesting rosh yeshiva in Chabad.

[sky121]

As CV said, most here know what is wrong, the question is what do we do about those who chose to act wrongly, is this something for the government to get involved in or not?

Yes since they are asking for legal rights.

[DP7]

When I was filling out the paperwork to get a Quebec Marriage license, I noticed that the forms had a slot for 'Spouse A' and 'Spouse B' and each one had a gender box that had to be checked off. When I pointed it out to The Rov (who I was pretty close with at the time) he pointed me to the following Medrash:

Where is this Medrash?

[Achas Veachas]

Where is this Medrash?

בראשית רבה כ"ו, ט

[Menachem613]

It's interesting that Jews have such a strong opinion on this.  Any legislation/court ruling that doesn't condone killing Jews is fine by me.  They can do whatever they want, its their country.

And when it comes to other forms of Toeva, like dishonesty in business, you don't hear a peep.

[DP7]

בראשית רבה כ"ו, ט

Thanks.

[U-no-me!]

And when it comes to other forms of Toeva, like dishonesty in business, you don't hear a peep.

Sir,

What's your beef? the last umpteen posts of yours are just...

Were you formally religious or something?

[Menachem613]

Sir,

What's your beef? the last umpteen posts of yours are just...

Were you formally religious or something?

My beef is with our focus.  Dishonesty in business is a clear Toeva. I've heard from too many businessman that they dread doing business with other Frum people. I doubt I'm alone. Where is the protest and uproar?  These are Deoraissah's being committed daily by Frum people.  Instead, we focus on aveiros being committed by those outside our community.

Similarly, we have Frum adults being over on Toeva with children. Instead of doing all we can to stop this, we terrorize the victim and his family.

[Dan]

http://www.ou.org/general_article/orthodox_union_statement_on_todays_supreme_court_rulings#.UcyXnJwSTkz

[12HRS]

My beef is with our focus.  Dishonesty in business is a clear Toeva. I've heard from too many businessman that they dread doing business with other Frum people. I doubt I'm alone. Where is the protest and uproar?  These are Deoraissah's being committed daily by Frum people.  Instead, we focus on aveiros being committed by those outside our community.

Similarly, we have Frum adults being over on Toeva with children. Instead of doing all we can to stop this, we terrorize the victim and his family.

Funny because the torah only calls certain specific acts a Toeva, and they do not include dishonesty. Do not be so quick as to decide what is worse in the eyes of the Torah.

[Menachem613]

Funny because the torah only calls certain specific acts a Toeva, and they do not include dishonesty. Do not be so quick as to decide what is worse in the eyes of the Torah.

What Yeshiva did you go to? It's a B'ferisha Pasuk in Devarim Chaf Hay (pasuk tes vav and tes zayin). 

[12HRS]

I stand corrected - B"B 88b