Topic Wiki

DansMeals: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38870

Eruv: http://www.laeruv.com

Minyanim Thread and Wiki: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55006.0

Accurate and verified minyanim and restaurants: https://lajewishtimes.com/-click on the picture of the restaurant to get to the menu.

Baby gear gemach: www.lababygear.com

Trip Reports:
Dan 1, Dan 2, Dan 3, Dan 4, @Yehuda - 1 day trip
Joel2 - 4 day trip

Map of Jewish & Kosher LA

RESTAURANTS


Meat:

   [th]RESTAURANT NAME[/th]
   [th]Rating[/th]
   [th]Description[/th]
   [th]Area - Address [/th]
   [th]Supervision[/th]
Tierra Sur At Herzog Winery in Oxnard 5/5 stars-The menu here is constantly changing but is always amazing.  The flavors you will try here are unlike any you will get at another kosher restaurant in the world.
Oxnard -

   
La Gondola4.5/5 stars
-Avocado eggrolls to die for (I had it and I didn't like it
 I can't eat Avocado when it's warm, I'm sure others can't too-Sillypainter).  Great Bread with garlic margarine on the house(agree-Sillypainter) Great Gondola Burger special for lunch with excellent pasta or a soup.  And the Chai Steak with Carmelized Steak Sauce and arguably the best kosher ribs out there.   I'm getting hungry thinking about this place!
Pico

Meatos - https://meatos.us/

http://charcoalgrillbar.com/


   
Shiloh's4/5 stars
-Great baby back ribs and peppercorn steak.  They serve steaks with a number of dipping sauces which is pretty cool.  Also had some delicious key lime pie.
I did have a bad experience here with really bad food though...and service can be poor here as well.
Beverly Hills Thai4/5 stars-It can get very crowded so it's best to make a reservation in advance.
Jeff's 3.5/5 stars-Homemade onion rings, homemade sausages, Steak Sandwich, Western burger, lots of good and greasy stuff here.
PKD (Pico Kosher Deli)3.5/5 stars
-Excellent Deli-style food along with equally good homemade onion rings. No Reservations, but rarely more than a few minute wait. closes at 9 PM.
Pat's3/5 stars
-Either you love this upscale steakhouse or you hate it.  I used to hate it until my brother became good friends with the bartender.  Now when I go back with him we're treated to a feast for a king! Don't miss the bread pudding dessert!
Shanghai2.5/5 stars
-LA hasn't had very good Chinese since Sholom Cuisine closed.  This place is decent though.
Harissa4/5 stars-Home of the LA-famous pretzle challah! They offer Middle Eastern/Mediterranean/North African cuisine.  They have lots of seating and long hours.


1. Tierra Sur At Herzog Winery in Oxnard
5/5 stars
-The menu here is constantly changing but is always amazing.  The flavors you will try here are unlike any you will get at another kosher restaurant in the world.

2. La Gondola
4.5/5 stars
-Avocado eggrolls to die for (I had it and I didn't like it
 I can't eat Avocado when it's warm, I'm sure others can't too-Sillypainter).  Great Bread with garlic margarine on the house(agree-Sillypainter) Great Gondola Burger special for lunch with excellent pasta or a soup.  And the Chai Steak with Carmelized Steak Sauce and arguably the best kosher ribs out there.   I'm getting hungry thinking about this place!

3. Shiloh's
4/5 stars
-Great baby back ribs and peppercorn steak.  They serve steaks with a number of dipping sauces which is pretty cool.  Also had some delicious key lime pie.
I did have a bad experience here with really bad food though...and service can be poor here as well.

4. Beverly Hills Thai
4/5 stars
-It can get very crowded so it's best to make a reservation in advance.

5. Jeff's
3.5/5 stars
-Homemade onion rings, homemade sausages, Steak Sandwich, Western burger, lots of good and greasy stuff here.

6. PKD (Pico Kosher Deli)
3.5/5 stars
-Excellent Deli-style food along with equally good homemade onion rings. No Reservations, but rarely more than a few minute wait. closes at 9 PM.

7. Pat's
3/5 stars
-Either you love this upscale steakhouse or you hate it.  I used to hate it until my brother became good friends with the bartender.  Now when I go back with him we're treated to a feast for a king! Don't miss the bread pudding dessert!

8. Shanghai
2.5/5 stars
-LA hasn't had very good Chinese since Sholom Cuisine closed.  This place is decent though.

9. Harissa
4/5 stars
-Home of the LA-famous pretzle challah! They offer Middle Eastern/Mediterranean/North African cuisine.  They have lots of seating and long hours.

Milk/Parve:

1. Fish Grill
4.5/5 stars
-The best fish you'll ever have, period.  I'm not such a fish person, but their Grilled Salmon on Angel Hair Pasta with a huge order of well-seasoned fries...YUM! Get the grilled salmon sandwich.

2. Milky Way Reopened, brand new place worth a visit
4/5 stars
-Steven Spielberg's adorable mom will come shmooze with you and show you his movie posters in the back.  Cheeze blintzes and lemon tart are awesome. Chimichangas, potato latkes, and more all at prices that haven't been raised in decades.

3. Pizza Nosh (Agoura Hills)
4/5 stars
-Excellent pizza and Eggplant Parmesean, worth a stop if you're in the area.

4. Pizza Mayven
4/5 stars
-Good plain pizza and excellent fries, and that's about it.

5. Nagila Pizza
3/5 stars
-Good but pricey stuffed crust pizza, and that's about it. There are some big fans of their Naco's out there as well.

6. Trattoria Natalie
4.5/5 stars
-A trattoria is translated from Italian as a tavern, and that's what this restaurant feels like.  They have a cool on-table feature: its a paging device with three bottons.  One botton calls for water, the other for the bill, the last for a waiter.  The food is very good and prices not too expensive.

7. Meshuga for Sushi/Meshuga for Sushi 2
4/5
-With 3 locations (one in La Brea, one in Pico, and one in the valley), they offer great sushi at reasonable prices.  They have some space to eat in the restaurant.  They have long hours and a decent lunch menu.


IF you eat non-CY:
-Sweet Rose Creamery, on Beverly is Kosher and considered some of the best ice cream in LA by foodies http://www.sweetrosecreamery.com/, usually have 4 or 5 non dairy flavors
-Toppings Frozen Yogurt 349 S Robertson Blvd, good frozen yogurt, usually have a non dairy flavor or two


If you eat CY:
-Milky's at 1429 S Robertson Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90035 recently became kosher and is cholov yisrael.

Breakfast/Bakery:
1. Cafe Elite
4.5/5 stars
-Amazing cake/crumb donuts along with your usual breakfast food.

2. Schwartz Bakery/Circa NY
4/5 stars
-A great but expensive bakery.  The crumb cheese danish is a personal favorite, as is their wonderful Caramel cake and "kit kat" chocolate rice crispy bars.
They also now serve breakfast in their Pico and Fairfax location.  I had the combo Pancake+Waffle+Franch Toast meal with fruit salad that was very good.
On friday's only they sell raspberry cheese pockets - they always sell out of them early.

3. La Brea Bagel
3/5 stars
-Very good bagels with all kinds of toppings and other breakfast food.

4. The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf - 7235 Beverly Blvd
4/5 stars
-The only coffee bean in LA that has Cholov Yisroel upon request and offers 3 Pas Yisroel bakery items from Delice; Chocolate Almond croissant, Custard twist, and chocolate croissant - also upon request.


SHABBOS TAKE OUT OPTIONS

1. Ralph's - both the Pico and La Brea locations have a kosher section with takeout
2. PKD: http://www.pkdla.com/soon.htm
3. Western Kosher on Pico: http://www.orderstart.com/westernkosher
4. Lieders La Brea: 129 N La Brea Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036
5. Lieders Takeout, 8721 W. Pico Blvd, supposed to be excellent, check FB page for hours, (Shabbos Food LA: http://www.shabbosfoodla.com/)
6. Ariel's glatt has a nice selection - NE corner of La Brea and Beverly
7. Got Kosher has very ethnic style shabbat take out- lots of Moroccan food.
8. Elite Cuisine on La Brea/Detroit and Beverly has some nice options and the staff is really nice.


ATTRACTIONS

Attractions for the first time visitor (in no particular order):

1. Santa Monica (Pier, 3rd St. Promenade)
2. Hiking (Santa Monica Mountains, Hollywood Hills)(list of hikes sortable by distance)
3. Theme parks (Universal, Disneyland, Knotts, Six Flags Magic Mountain)
4. Beaches (Venice and Santa Monica are the most popular; Hermosa and Manhattan are the prettiest, Marina del Rey is the emptiest as it's in a residential area)
5. City Sites (The Grove, Hollywood & Highland Blvd, Rodeo Dr/Beverly Hills, Beverly Center)
6. Segway tours with www.segwow.com (tours are available in various locations)
7. TV Show Filmings (get free tickets to local TV shows being filmed) www.tvtix.com
8. Getty Center and Getty Villa.
9. Warner Bros Studio Tour
10. Mulholland Drive in Burbank (view of LA and the Hollywood sign)
11. Marina Del Ray Sportfishing or Whale watching (sometimes on groupon)
12. Griffith Observatory- Driveable Scenic View
13. LA Zoo

Attractions for the experienced visitor:

1. Santa Barbara, 2 hours north (40 min from Tierra Sur)
2. San Diego/ Coronado, 2 hours south
3. Big Bear/ Lake Arrowhead, 2 hours east
4. Hiking in the Santa Monica Mountains.
5. Secret Stairs by Charles Fleming- check out the book
6. Hollywood Bowl
7. Descanso Gardens and Huntington Library and Gardens
8. Calico ghost town, 2 hours east
9. OC County fair (July 12-Aug 11 2013)
10. Adamson House in Malibu
11. Griffith Park - Merry-go-round, Pony Rides, & wagon rides for kids, Horseback Riding for older children.
12. The Queen Mary. Out of commission passenger and WWII ship. Is currently a museum, and a hotel. You can explore the ship or stroll along the empty decks at midnight (closed to tours at night, but open to hotel guests) with a great view of the Long Beach Harbor. 45 minutes south of L.A.

This is a general list.  I can go into specifics if you're interested. HT: Yehoshua

Amusement Parks: Adventure City, Disneyland, California Adventure, Universal Studios, Knotts Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain, Legoland, Santa Monica Pier, Urban Air, Boomers

Water Parks: Raging Waters, Knotts Soak City, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, Wild Rivers

Museums: Getty, Skirball, LACMA, La Brea Tarpits, Peterson Car, CA Science Center (space shuttle), Cayton Children Museum, Museum of Tolerance, Aquarium of the Pacific, Kidspace Children Museum

Hiking Trails: Griffith Park, Runyon Canyon, Caballero

Attractions: Rodeo Drive, Hollywood Walk of Fame, Adventure Lagoon, Sky Zone, Jump Club, Get Air, LA Zoo, Grove, Universal CityWalk, TopGolf, Lucky Strike Bowling, K1 Speed, Griffith Park Observatory, Travel Town Railroad, Madame Tussauds, Sunset Ranch Hollywood Horseback Riding, Beach, Marina Del Rey, Pump it up

HT:Thaber+Imayid2

Hotels within walking distance of shuls (under 2 mi.)

Pico
1. Mr. C (closest YOLA)
2. SLS
3. Residence Inn by Marriott (closest to Adas Torah or YICC)
4. Beverly Hills Marriott (closest to Adas Torah or YICC)
5. Best Western Plus Carlyle Inn (closest to Torat Chaim or Anshe Emes)
6. Intercontinental Century City (closest to YOLA)

Hancock Park
116northfuller.com
116northfuller.com - in the heart of Hancock Park / La Brea area. 5 minute walk to many shuls. 4 bedroom house with full kosher kitchen, hot plate, everything you need for shabbos.

Other areas
1. Andaz West Hollywood
2. W Westwood
3. Four Seasons, Beverly Hills
4. L'Ermitage


http://kosherconciergela.com/

HT: Dan

« Last edited by yelped on January 24, 2023, 11:58:48 PM »

Author Topic: Los Angeles Master Thread  (Read 2019185 times)

Offline Yehoshua

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 10172
  • Total likes: 213
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4980 on: January 04, 2015, 02:15:38 AM »
Seems like Agoura hills got a new place.  Veggie more or something
Cool! Whose hashgacha?

Offline ganizzy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2010
  • Posts: 1067
  • Total likes: 6
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4981 on: January 04, 2015, 02:30:07 AM »
Not sure,  my sister told me she went and really enjoyed the grilled salmon salad

Offline Yehoshua

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 10172
  • Total likes: 213
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4982 on: January 04, 2015, 02:31:52 AM »
Not sure,  my sister told me she went and really enjoyed the grilled salmon salad
Well next time I'm coming back from SB or Oxnard and can't do Tierra Sur I'll check it out.

Offline E-MAN

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2012
  • Posts: 1567
  • Total likes: 7
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: New York
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4983 on: January 04, 2015, 09:44:28 AM »
Crowne Plaza (Beverly Hills) is currently being renovated. As of 12/16/14 there was no pool, no restaurant/bar. They've closed the IHG lounge and discontinued free breakfast for IHG members. Breakfast is now $20/person!.( Better off going to any of the really good "bakeries" on Pico (Schwartz, Elite) for breakfast)
When is construction expected to be done and pool back open? I'm planning to go in may

Offline Wolfbalden

  • Dansdeals Silver Elite
  • **
  • Join Date: Nov 2013
  • Posts: 56
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Washington Heights, ny
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4984 on: January 04, 2015, 10:37:43 AM »
When is construction expected to be done and pool back open? I'm planning to go in may

I asked the front desk, she said "they havent told us". She expected "a few months" ( this was in mid Dec). You should probably check with them regularly before your trip if you plan to go there. If you're not committed to IHG but want the location, there is a Residence Inn (Marriott) just across the street.

Offline MC

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2013
  • Posts: 1730
  • Total likes: 49
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: NY
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4985 on: January 06, 2015, 09:47:25 PM »
FYI Taco Flame closed down.

Offline Yehoshua

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 10172
  • Total likes: 213
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4986 on: January 06, 2015, 09:55:01 PM »
FYI Taco Flame closed down.
Really? That was quick!

Offline thaber

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 3784
  • Total likes: 465
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4987 on: January 07, 2015, 02:32:24 AM »
FYI Taco Flame closed down.
that's too bad. It was a rough location

Offline joe999

  • Dansdeals Silver Elite
  • **
  • Join Date: Aug 2014
  • Posts: 50
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4988 on: January 07, 2015, 03:55:29 PM »
Trip Report:

Restaurants:
Mexikosher. Got the carnitas burritos and for me, it lived up to the hype. Amazing food. I also got the taquitos which were alright.
Tierra Sur-Also definitely lived up to the hype. Incredible lamb chorizzo sausage, lamb wellington, and the zeppoli donuts.
Pizza World-The food was ok at best. It was kind of dirty and there were flies around my food. I definitely see why they have a "B" cleanliness rating.
Delice Bakery-Incredible. I'm not sure why there isn't more hype about this place. The french toast was the best I've ever had, and their breakfast specials are a pretty decent deal if you get the buy 1, get 2nd half off.
Jeff's-Good diner type food. I really liked the Western Burger. Everything else was good, but not great.
Trattoria Natalie-Pretty decent food, but expensive for what you're getting. The pizza was really good, and so were the nachos. I don't recommend the risotto. Giving them a hat tip for service which was excellent. My drink was always being refilled, and they were attentive without being annoying.
Schwartz's Bakery-OK breakfast, but wish I would've gone to Delice again. The kit kats were pretty good though.

Activities:
Whale watching by long beach: saw some whales and a couple of dolphins, but not up close, just their heads. Went about an hour too long at 3 hrs.
Getty Center: Really beautiful views and museum. Great if you're into art, but still nice even if you're not.
Santa Monica Pier: Nice beach and kitschy shops.

Hotels:
First night at the SLS. Really cool room, very young and hip vibe. Fire alarm went off at 7:30am though...
Rest of the time at the Carlyle Inn (no longer affiliated with Best Western). Nice, clean, no frills place. I got it for a good price, but it seems like they raised their prices after ending their relationship with Best Western. The breakfast has some kosher options (yogurt, cereal, even the waffle batter if you bring your own maker!) someone else frum told me they asked to see the package for the bread and muffins and they were kosher too. The outdoor area to sit/eat/lounge in the middle of the hotel is nice as well. For transportation, I used uber a lot, which was really convenient.

All in all, a good trip.

Offline CS1

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Feb 2014
  • Posts: 3651
  • Total likes: 49
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
    • California Gourmet Premium Chocolate
  • Location: United States
  • Programs: DDSLA, DDSCLE, Bonvoy Titanium Feb 2025
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4989 on: January 07, 2015, 04:12:32 PM »
Trip Report:

Restaurants:
Mexikosher. Got the carnitas burritos and for me, it lived up to the hype. Amazing food. I also got the taquitos which were alright.
Tierra Sur-Also definitely lived up to the hype. Incredible lamb chorizzo sausage, lamb wellington, and the zeppoli donuts.
Pizza World-The food was ok at best. It was kind of dirty and there were flies around my food. I definitely see why they have a "B" cleanliness rating.
Delice Bakery-Incredible. I'm not sure why there isn't more hype about this place. The french toast was the best I've ever had, and their breakfast specials are a pretty decent deal if you get the buy 1, get 2nd half off.
Jeff's-Good diner type food. I really liked the Western Burger. Everything else was good, but not great.
Trattoria Natalie-Pretty decent food, but expensive for what you're getting. The pizza was really good, and so were the nachos. I don't recommend the risotto. Giving them a hat tip for service which was excellent. My drink was always being refilled, and they were attentive without being annoying.
Schwartz's Bakery-OK breakfast, but wish I would've gone to Delice again. The kit kats were pretty good though.
...
All in all, a good trip.

looks really good. Good report. SLS is priced too high for a long stay, imo. Personally, if time and budget (and room/space) allowed, I'd add Ditmas and La Gondola.   ..next time...
California Gourmet Belgian Nut-Free Chocolate Chips https://bit.ly/CaliforniaGourmetDirect

Offline palm tights

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 643
  • Total likes: 14
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4990 on: January 08, 2015, 12:37:47 PM »
Where can I get real hiemish and gusto chala in la

Offline Yehoshua

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 10172
  • Total likes: 213
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4991 on: January 08, 2015, 12:49:20 PM »
Where can I get real hiemish and gusto chala in la
What's gusto chala?

Offline palm tights

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 643
  • Total likes: 14
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4992 on: January 08, 2015, 02:56:12 PM »

Offline thaber

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 3784
  • Total likes: 465
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4993 on: January 08, 2015, 02:57:32 PM »
Real hiemish ,
Try Abba's, they have sometimes.

Offline palm tights

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 643
  • Total likes: 14
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4994 on: January 08, 2015, 02:58:13 PM »
Any suggestions for 2 adult men to do in la something intresting ?

Offline palm tights

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 643
  • Total likes: 14
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4995 on: January 08, 2015, 03:00:52 PM »
Really? That was quick!
Where is abbas?
Try Abba's, they have sometimes.

Offline thaber

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 3784
  • Total likes: 465
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
    • View Profile
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4996 on: January 08, 2015, 03:01:51 PM »
Where is abbas?
Labrea between Beverly and 1st I think

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 67598
  • Total likes: 16909
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4997 on: January 08, 2015, 03:06:14 PM »
Any suggestions for 2 adult men to do in la something intresting ?
Hike?
Getty?
Water sport?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10006
  • Total likes: 297
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4998 on: January 08, 2015, 03:32:23 PM »

Offline Yehoshua

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 10172
  • Total likes: 213
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Los Angeles Master Thread
« Reply #4999 on: January 08, 2015, 03:42:33 PM »
Any suggestions for 2 adult men to do in la something intresting ?
I'm sure West Hollywood has some options, just probably not the ones you're looking for. ;)