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Do you think George Zimmerman will be convicted?

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #120 on: July 12, 2013, 10:46:53 AM »
That's a silly question. It's not unreasonable for someone to have examined the facts of the case and concluded that he would have, just as it's not unreasonable to conclude that he'd have been fine.
Now who is being silly? What facts are you talking about? Did I miss someone testifying he had life threatening injuries?

Why is it every time someone does want to answer a question they always try to belittle the question?
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #121 on: July 12, 2013, 10:49:57 AM »
Now who is being silly? What facts are you talking about? Did I miss someone testifying he had life threatening injuries?

Why is it every time someone does want to answer a question they always try to belittle the question?


By facts I mean both those that have been established, and - more importantly - those that have not. You want an answer to your question? Yes... or maybe no... or is it yes? How the hell would I answer that question? On what basis? Better yet, how the hell would you (or any other person other than the 2 people fighting) be able to answer that question.

We're not all out to get you. Sometimes you just say a stupid thing.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #122 on: July 12, 2013, 10:55:08 AM »
By facts I mean both those that have been established, and - more importantly - those that have not. You want an answer to your question? Yes... or maybe no... or is it yes? How the hell would I answer that question? On what basis? Better yet, how the hell would you (or any other person other than the 2 people fighting) be able to answer that question.

We're not all out to get you. Sometimes you just say a stupid thing.
Have you ever been to the inner city? Have you worked there for twenty years? How many fights have you been in? How many fights do you know of where someone was beaten to death? Sometimes we base it on personal experience and common sense.
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #123 on: July 12, 2013, 11:15:04 AM »
Have you ever been to the inner city? Have you worked there for twenty years? How many fights have you been in? How many fights do you know of where someone was beaten to death? Sometimes we base it on personal experience and common sense.

Yes, no, none of this sort, none firsthand (since you like direct answers so much, and despite the fact that your response is just a bunch of rebuttal questions as well). But your personal experience and common sense does not magically make it so, that people don't die from fights all the time. It may not happen every day, but it certainly happens. And the deaths may not be the result of fists alone, but once they're in a fight they don't stop to decide the ground rules. Neither party knows what weapons the other has. We know Zimmerman had a gun, what if Martin had wrestled it from him and shot him?

You're trying to get a sense of where commenters stand on this case? I'll lay my opinion out for you. Nobody is in the 'right' here, not Zimmerman and not Martin. The end result is that Martin was killed, and so automatically, the weight of potential wrong-doing shifts to Zimmerman. He did things he shouldn't have done that led to him shooting another person, and so on the scale of right and wrong in my head he was wrong. But that doesn't mean that he deserves to be wrongly convicted. Based on my (very limited) understanding of the law and the case, he was not guilty of any crimes.

On the other end of it, the family and friends of Martin deserve to be able to mourn their loss, irrespective of any possible 'wrong' he may have done that contributed to his demise. But that doesn't automatically mean that there has to be a guilty party on the other end.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #124 on: July 12, 2013, 11:22:18 AM »
I would be more than happy to give you a direct answer to any question you have for me if I knew what it was. I won’t even call the question stupid or silly.  :)
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2013, 11:33:22 AM »
What facts are you talking about? Did I miss someone testifying he had life threatening injuries?



I'm jumping in in the middle here, but you don't need any injuries to have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

If I'm camping in the woods, and you burst through doing a civil war reenactment holding a fake musket, and I panic and shoot you dead--I'm not guilty. It's self defense.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2013, 11:45:05 AM »
I'm jumping in in the middle here, but you don't need any injuries to have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

If I'm camping in the woods, and you burst through doing a civil war reenactment holding a fake musket, and I panic and shoot you dead--I'm not guilty. It's self defense.

Yup, a CT father recently killed his son when he attempted to scare him in this fashion.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2013, 11:49:10 AM »


This is why when I go camping I always carry a real musket, in case someone comes with a fake one.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2013, 11:51:01 AM »
I'm jumping in in the middle here, but you don't need any injuries to have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

If I'm camping in the woods, and you burst through doing a civil war reenactment holding a fake musket, and I panic and shoot you dead--I'm not guilty. It's self defense.
I would take out "panic" and insert "fear for my life".  ;)
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2013, 11:53:49 AM »
This is why when I go camping I always carry a real musket, in case someone comes with a fake one.
I always go camping with my "Devel". Google might not help.  :P
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2013, 11:54:56 AM »
The defense is done and still no mention of the marijuana use. Strange...

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2013, 11:56:58 AM »
The defense is done and still no mention of the marijuana use. Strange...

My guess is they agreed that it isn't really relevant

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Re: George Zimmerman
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #133 on: July 12, 2013, 12:14:06 PM »
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2013, 02:36:57 PM »
Any bookies offering odds on the verdict? I'd like to place a bet.

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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2013, 02:37:40 PM »
The defense is done and still no mention of the marijuana use. Strange...
You don't know the jury. Very good odds many of the jurists have smoked weed and they also know it had a calming affect on their body, not a violent one.

I'd guess a majority of Americans (of the right age) have tried weed before. It's just not the best argument to be made, and could backfire IMO.
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #138 on: July 13, 2013, 07:28:44 PM »
At this point it seems that the second degree option is probably out. Jury asked for clarification on Manslaughter.
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Re: George Zimmerman
« Reply #139 on: July 13, 2013, 09:58:52 PM »
Announcing verdict now