George Zimmerman

[Ergel]

Is that the guy who played for the Nets?

Knicks

[CountValentine]

Knicks

Kicks/Nets is there a difference? Can this thread finally be ending? Did I wear you all out yet? 

[Hirshthg]

Ok. So the statute in 776.08 defines Forcible Felony, but it doesn't help much because it defines it as:
So we need to look up when use of physical force against a person is a felony. So battery is generally a misdemeanor. But it becomes a felony battery when it "Causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement"--which seems very much like the common law definition of grievous bodily injury. So I think the addition of protection against forcible felony doesn't add much.

(Note: it does include rape, but that is anyway included in the common law definition. Query if it would include third degree felony battery which is a battery by a person who has a prior conviction for battery--it probably wouldn't because that's stupid.)

Part of the discussion here and everywhere is do you think it is reasonable to fear TM murdering him. Personally I think yes, but even if we don't go to death, we can still have a reasonable fear- which means it didn't happen yet, but he could reasonably see it coming- a felony battery.

Reasonable fear of murder is less likely than reasonable fear of a "great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement". You get your nose punched in and you have permanent disfigurement. We already know he got hit in the nose and probably got a small fracture, how long does it take to disfigure a nose?

In addition head trauma and brain damage can easily fall under permanent disability, and can be caused be repeated blows to the head even without cracking the skull open.

In conclusion, and in simpler language so the rest of the skittle talkers can listen in, one can pop a guy, if a reasonable person would fear that the guy was going to commit a Felony against him. If the guys was grounding and pounding for 40 seconds, a reasonable non liberal would assume that he was going to get hurt bad.

(One would think that if someone was attacking the same person a second time, that would make it a third degree felony against that person, or in the future, a reasonable fear of a felony committed against that person.)

[Hirshthg]

Was the cement padded?  How about we do a test? Someone here lets me pond there head into the cement and we will see what it looks like. 

Lol true. Did you ever see a Mexican up close and wonder what he was made out of? The human skull is not easy to crack open, and luckily for GZ, TM didn't have it in him to finish him quickly. Maharaja can do that to you as well....   Have you ever tried to destroy the human body using nothing but your bare hands? It is hard work.

Could he have succeeded if he worked at it long enough? The Judge wouldn't let the experts answer that question to the Jury, but I would suspect, yes.

[aygart]

As President Obama has mentioned, when viewing discussions about this case one should keep in mind the previous experiences which some have had regarding race. In this forum many have had previous experience with a major player in the race related aspects of this trial. These experiences did not add credibility.

[meshugener]

And let's not forget what one popular politician (I think it was the president) said, something along these lines: "had we been black, we'd all look and act like Trayvon Martin."

So a bit of sympathy, folks.

[henche]

As President Obama has mentioned, when viewing discussions about this case one should keep in mind the previous experiences which some have had regarding race.

I do keep that in mind, which is why I am not surprised or upset by the average 60 year old black person who grew up in the segregated south who thinks this is all just the same thing happening again.

I criticize people like the president though. You see, statements like his which support the notion that there was racism here serve to convince blacks that there is continuing racism in the country to such a degree, and to carry those same scars of racism of which he rightly complains down into the next generation. It is truly impossible to comprehend any sort of good faith on the part of the president and the other pols who say such absurd things and negate the progress we have made as a country on race.

[Nitantnel]

I do keep that in mind, which is why I am not surprised or upset by the average 60 year old black person who grew up in the segregated south who thinks this is all just the same thing happening again.

I criticize people like the president though. You see, statements like his which support the notion that there was racism here serve to convince blacks that there is continuing racism in the country to such a degree, and to carry those same scars of racism of which he rightly complains down into the next generation. It is truly impossible to comprehend any sort of good faith on the part of the president and the other pols who say such absurd things and negate the progress we have made as a country on race.

+1
Jews have also been through a hell of a lot ; why don't I see Jews playing the victim game?

[MarkS]

+1
Jews have also been through a hell of a lot ; why don't I see Jews playing the victim game?

Jews do seem to love playing the anti semitism card. ..

[Nitantnel]

Which Jews?

[CountValentine]

+1
Jews have also been through a hell of a lot ; why don't I see Jews playing the victim game?

Now that is funny!

[Ergel]

Now that is funny!

Antisemite

[CountValentine]

Antisemite

Tell me something I don't know. 

[Achas Veachas]

why don't I see Jews playing the victim game?

You can't be serious...

[MarkS]

Which Jews?

Seriously? How about almost everytime a Jew is in trouble with the law and people scream Anti Semite.

[Baruch]

Now that is funny!

+1, the only ones better at playing the victim game than the Jews, are the Blacks.

[CountValentine]

+1, the only ones better at playing the victim game than the Jews, are the Blacks.

Are there any Black Jews? 

[Baruch]

irrelevant

watch his side of the story

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If more people would watch this video, the debate would have been over a long time ago.

[CountValentine]

If more people would watch this video, the debate would have been over a long time ago.

The other side is not going to believe any of it. At least I believe a couple of things from it. 

[Nitantnel]

Seriously? How about almost everytime a Jew is in trouble with the law and people scream Anti Semite.

Perhaps some cynical Jews talking between themselves. You find Jews trying to get away with the law and publicly proclaiming the Jew card? Enlighten me please.