George Zimmerman

[moish]

I did but if TM did a reanactment do you think it would be the same?

very possible not, but my point is that you are asking questions that he answered in the reenactment

[aygart]

If Zim said it then it must be true.  If this is true then how did TM know Zim had a gun?

I think that you are grossly misunderstanding me and most of those here and elsewhere who are sticking up for him. I am not saying that he was proven innocent by any means. That is not needed under the USA justice system.  Under this system he needs to be proven guilty. As long as there is a reasonable possibility that it was self defense then he must be aquitted. In my opinion, and it seems to me that this is the opinion of many here, there was no more than shaky proof offered that it was not self defense.  In that case he cannot be found guilty.
This is how OJ was aquitted. "If the glove doesn't fit you must aquit". Here the glove doesn't fit.

[dirah]

I think that you are grossly misunderstanding me and most of those here and elsewhere who are sticking up for him. I am not saying that he was proven innocent by any means. That is not needed under the USA justice system.  Under this system he needs to be proven guilty. As long as there is a reasonable possibility that it was self defense then he must be aquitted. In my opinion, and it seems to me that this is the opinion of many here, there was no more than shaky proof offered that it was not self defense.  In that case he cannot be found guilty.
This is how OJ was aquitted. "If the glove doesn't fit you must aquit". Here the glove doesn't fit.

[CountValentine]

I think that you are grossly misunderstanding me and most of those here and elsewhere who are sticking up for him. I am not saying that he was proven innocent by any means. That is not needed under the USA justice system.  Under this system he needs to be proven guilty. As long as there is a reasonable possibility that it was self defense then he must be aquitted. In my opinion, and it seems to me that this is the opinion of many here, there was no more than shaky proof offered that it was not self defense.  In that case he cannot be found guilty.
This is how OJ was aquitted. "If the glove doesn't fit you must aquit". Here the glove doesn't fit.

I think we have a "Cool Hand Luke" situation here. 

[aygart]

I think we have a "Cool Hand Luke" situation here. 

Not familiar with what that situation is, but a quick check on wikipedia makes me think you are referring to bluffing to win a poker game with a poor hand. That may be the case. He may have reached for the gun and he may not have. If he did them it was definitely self defense. If he did not it may not have been, but also still possibly was depending on the exact situation with the pavement etc. In such a case there is no way that he can be convicted.
Is it all a bluff? Maybe. But also maybe not.

[springles]

If Zim said it then it must be true.  If this is true then how did TM know Zim had a gun?

Is the assumption that he is lying about everything? I dont get why you have that assumption.  He gave the same story from the beginning and he was open and spoke to the police instead of lawyering up.  Do you think he quickly came up with the story that would protect him? His reenactment certainly doesnt seem as if he scripted a lie.  I am not saying that I take him at his word end of story but I have no reason (other than emotionally reacting to a 17 yr old kid dying) to doubt everything he says.

[CountValentine]

Is it all a bluff? Maybe. But also maybe not.

There is a classic line in the movie that describes what is going on here. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_we've_got_here_is_(a)_failure_to_communicate

[Achas Veachas]

There is a classic line in the movie that describes what is going on here. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_we've_got_here_is_(a)_failure_to_communicate

Not bad. Took you only 30 pages to realize that...

[CountValentine]

Is the assumption that he is lying about everything? I dont get why you have that assumption.  He gave the same story from the beginning and he was open and spoke to the police instead of lawyering up.  Do you think he quickly came up with the story that would protect him? His reenactment certainly doesnt seem as if he scripted a lie.  I am not saying that I take him at his word end of story but I have no reason (other than emotionally reacting to a 17 yr old kid dying) to doubt everything he says.

I just feel he was getting a typical ass whopping that happens all the time and he shot the kid.
I will tell you one thing. Wearing a hip holster there is no way he can pin TM’s hand against his side and with the same hand upholster the gun as he claims. Remember this is the same TM that he said overpowered him and is pounding his head into the cement.

[CountValentine]

Not bad. Took you only 30 pages to realize that...

Do you know how the movie ended? 

[MarkS]

I just feel he was getting a typical ass whopping that happens all the time and he shot the kid.
I will tell you one thing. Wearing a hip holster there is no way he can pin TM’s hand against his side and with the same hand upholster the gun as he claims. Remember this is the same TM that he said overpowered him and is pounding his head into the cement.

Ohh, so then TM wasn't some little poor innocent kid with just skittles? He was beating up someone who hadn't hurt him at all yet...

[CountValentine]

He was beating up someone who hadn't hurt him at all yet...

That is very possible.

[Ergel]

I fail to see why everyone is so passionate here. A hispanic killed a black. So what?

[whYME]

I fail to see why everyone is so passionate here. A hispanic killed a black. So what?

You didn't know? Only black are allowed to kill blacks.

[Ergel]

You didn't know? Only black are allowed to kill blacks.

Yeah, but why do the white folk care?

[CountValentine]

I fail to see why everyone is so passionate here. A hispanic killed a black. So what?

So my first post should have been lets pretend Zim is Arab and TM is Jewish? 

[Ergel]

So my first post should have been lets pretend Zim is Arab and TM is Jewish? 

Now we're talking
(for those who couldn't tell, this is all written in complete jest)

[CountValentine]

(for those who couldn't tell, this is all written in complete jest)

Ergel is only speaking for himself. 

[good sam]

So my first post should have been lets pretend Zim is Arab and TM is Jewish? 

Ok, question: Did Zim scream allahu akbar before shooting?

[CountValentine]

Ok, question: Did Zim scream allahu akbar before shooting?

Is that the guy who played for the Nets?