Author Topic: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions (Read 765788 times)

yelped · « **Reply #2140 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:09:59 PM »

Quote from: shapsam on July 06, 2020, 08:38:46 PM

What is their reasoning?

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Dan · « **Reply #2141 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:16:48 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 08:38:21 PM

Wierdest time to announce a new route. Only logic I can think of, is to put salt on LY's wounds. For crying out loud, the borders are still closed. EWR flights are barely half full. And a new route now?!
I guess it was an opportunity to beat El Al to it.

Not weird at all. LY is going to have to decide which routes to cut in the coming days.
UA just added ORD onto that list.

yochai · « **Reply #2142 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Dan on July 06, 2020, 09:16:48 PM

Not weird at all. LY is going to have to decide which routes to cut in the coming days.
UA just added ORD onto that list.

The question is why now? If they felt the route is profitable, they could’ve beat LY to it a year ago. Why wait till LY launches the route, and then try to force them out? Did LY sales help them decide it’s profitable? Or is it because AA delayed DFW launch?

yaakov35 · « **Reply #2143 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:27:00 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 08:38:21 PM

Wierdest time to announce a new route. Only logic I can think of, is to put salt on LY's wounds. For crying out loud, the borders are still closed. EWR flights are barely half full. And a new route now?!
I guess it was an opportunity to beat El Al to it.

Doubt it has anything to do with that. United has been making astronomical amounts of $ on ewr-tlv and tlv is a well positioned cargo hub. There's never been a better time to test a new route than now.

Dan · « **Reply #2144 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:30:29 PM »

It's everything combined.
AA delay, LY delay, cargo rates, etc.

yaakov35 · « **Reply #2145 on:** July 06, 2020, 09:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Dan on July 06, 2020, 09:30:29 PM

It's everything combined.
AA delay, LY delay, cargo rates, etc.

Right, but not trying purely to spite ly. They're too big a company to play footsie with dysfunctional ly...

yandmk · « **Reply #2146 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:12:03 PM »

Quote from: Dan on July 06, 2020, 09:16:48 PM

Not weird at all. LY is going to have to decide which routes to cut in the coming days.
UA just added ORD onto that list.

Not weird to announce they will launch the route. But September?! Seriously?! How about March 2021?

ExGingi · « **Reply #2147 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:21:00 PM »

Quote from: yaakov35 on July 06, 2020, 09:37:24 PM

Right, but not trying purely to spite ly. They're too big a company to play footsie with dysfunctional ly...

And I guess they find TLV more profitable/attractive to them than AKL or CHC.

Dan · « **Reply #2148 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:24:02 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 10:12:03 PM

Not weird to announce they will launch the route. But September?! Seriously?! How about March 2021?

Hoping for RH/Sukkos traffic.
And they want to lock in the route and contracts before LY, exactly as they did successfully in SFO.

yandmk · « **Reply #2149 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:31:29 PM »

Quote from: Dan on July 06, 2020, 10:24:02 PM

Hoping for RH/Sukkos traffic.

I wish I was as optimistic as you (and UA)....

Dan · « **Reply #2150 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:33:11 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 10:31:29 PM

I wish I was as optimistic as you (and UA)....

Oh I don't think that's going to happen. But we can dream.
Either way, I'm guessing that cargo will help pay the bills.

yaakov35 · « **Reply #2151 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:34:32 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 10:31:29 PM

I wish I was as optimistic as you (and UA)....

Not so far fetched.. there are lots of israeli citizens/people who can fly to israel in the us now. And all they need is one nice cargo contract like they have at ewr and the route will be profitable just off that.

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #2152 on:** July 06, 2020, 11:16:51 PM »

Quote from: Dan on July 06, 2020, 08:10:53 PM

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/united/finally-united-will-launch-nonstop-service-chicago-tel-aviv/

Wishful thinking based on April/May numbers
Israeli hospitals can handle 600-900 patients in serious condition. It’s currently at 90 and predicted to reach 300 just with existing infections deteriorating. The government is frantically scrambling to enforce SD laws to avoid a total lockdown, which is nearly inevitable. There is no way Israel will open in September. Israeli hospitals overflow every winter

jose34 · « **Reply #2153 on:** July 07, 2020, 06:38:58 PM »

Quote from: yandmk on July 06, 2020, 10:12:03 PM

Not weird to announce they will launch the route. But September?! Seriously?! How about March 2021?

I don't get it. The times for the route don't make so much sense for Shomer Shabbos traveler.
Leaving ORD and getting in to TLV on a Friday Afternoon + a Shabbos departure from ORD. Leaves one normal departure from ORD for the Shomer Shabbos traveler.
On the return by leaving on a Friday night - your cutting off a return.
Who exactly is United target market over here?

Dawie · « **Reply #2154 on:** July 08, 2020, 10:26:54 AM »

Quote from: jose34 on July 07, 2020, 06:38:58 PM

I don't get it. The times for the route don't make so much sense for Shomer Shabbos traveler.
Leaving ORD and getting in to TLV on a Friday Afternoon + a Shabbos departure from ORD. Leaves one normal departure from ORD for the Shomer Shabbos traveler.
On the return by leaving on a Friday night - your cutting off a return.
Who exactly is United target market over here?

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