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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #330 on: June 29, 2020, 10:37:39 PM »
Iv'e never been there but why can't they just let people drive thru for access but keep all the concessions outside the park closed and not let people do anything outside the park?
Because it's a lot easier to say no than enforce restrictions. They don't owe it to us to give us what we want. It's their land, they don't want, and it's about time we respect their no.  Additionally, it's more likely they'll regret access than regret disallowing access.
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #331 on: June 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM »
Yes, I realize the official party line from the NPS will be to respect the tribe's decision, so no surprise there. But knowing the ramifications of it, I have to wonder (and hope!) if they're working behind the scenes to try to come up with some sort of reasonable compromise that could allow guest access while still letting the Blackfeet feel safe - though even if they do, it will likely involve severe limiting on the #s of visitors allowed, which will still require getting up crazy early to make the cut.

Peak tourist season is just starting there, so I'm giving it 2 weeks to see if anything moves. Otherwise I don't see it as being worth all the nightmare traffic and restrictions this year.

I wonder... Of all the places I drove through a few weeks ago, the only places I saw masks were NPS facilities and concessions, and Indian reservations. I'm not sure how the Blackfeet situation compares with the Sioux, but driving through the latter's reservation it was clear that they were pretty much in panic/extreme measure mode.
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #332 on: June 30, 2020, 10:23:29 AM »
The articles I read mentioned that they particularly revere their elders, and they are terrified of losing them due to a virus that they've heard can be particularly deadly to older people.

I also recall my interactions with the Havasupai tribe in Arizona (Havasu Falls is on their property) and found them remarkably set in their ways. They had absolutely no interest in my suggestions of how they could "improve" their revenues and tourist industry, explaining that they were quite content to continue doing what they've always been doing, with no interest in increasing their interactions with us (kinda like chassidim? :).

I remember schmoozing with the (white) woman at the USPS branch there, who told me that it's the most maddening job she's ever had, and she was desperately trying to get reassigned before she lost her mind. So it doesn't shock me that the Blackfeet's reaction to all this would be to slam the door shut in the interest of self-preservation.

What I'll be watching for is the response of the park superintendent, who may be under pressure from a large number of local business owners whose entire annual revenue will go up in smoke if nothing is done.

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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #333 on: June 30, 2020, 10:32:50 AM »
I wonder... Of all the places I drove through a few weeks ago, the only places I saw masks were NPS facilities and concessions, and Indian reservations. I'm not sure how the Blackfeet situation compares with the Sioux, but driving through the latter's reservation it was clear that they were pretty much in panic/extreme measure mode.
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In SD, the only place we saw and were required to wear masks was at Crazy Horse Memorial, similarly on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in NE.

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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #334 on: July 06, 2020, 12:05:40 PM »
Planning to visit from Monday - Thursday. Staying in Island Park, ID (30 min from West entrance). With 4 kids age 7-12.

Monday - Geysers  How to do this? Which ones? Is a full day too much? 
Tuesday - "Grand Canyon" & Hayden Valley
Wednesday - Which would you recommend????  (Mammoth, West Thumb/Yellowstone Lake, Lamar Valley)
Thursday - Grand Teton What to do here? Jenny Lake hike?(planning on driving halfway to Vegas after)

Besides for sightseeing, what activities would you recommend?
Uncle Tom's Trail
Fairy Falls Trail
Rafting or boating
Anything else??

Please share any thoughts.
Thanks!!



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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #335 on: July 06, 2020, 12:23:42 PM »
Monday - Geysers

Don't focus on an activity, focus on an area.

Also, last I checked, Uncle Tom's was closed. You might want to check the official site for an update.

Edit: confirmed, still closed.
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Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #336 on: July 06, 2020, 12:23:52 PM »
Planning to visit from Monday - Thursday. Staying in Island Park, ID (30 min from West entrance). With 4 kids age 7-12.

Monday - Geysers  How to do this? Which ones? Is a full day too much? 
Tuesday - "Grand Canyon" & Hayden Valley
Wednesday - Which would you recommend????  (Mammoth, West Thumb/Yellowstone Lake, Lamar Valley)
Thursday - Grand Teton What to do here? Jenny Lake hike?(planning on driving halfway to Vegas after)

Besides for sightseeing, what activities would you recommend?
Uncle Tom's Trail
Fairy Falls Trail
Rafting or boating
Anything else??

Please share any thoughts.
Thanks!!
I would plan a bit different, divide the parks into sections and then take it in strolls. For example, there is a hike they call the Niagara of the West (or something like that) which is the same falls as in the Uncle Toms Trail falls , albeit a different view, which was fun hike. Then there is the Grand Prismatic and the Boiling Mud Pot and a bunch of other random holes that steams is billowing out from which I found very interesting. There was some insane winding road near a lake that we pulled over and all went swimming for an hour or so. Or there is place where the hot and cold waters meet... (there were lot of women there so I was unable to join my kids in the fun).

In terms of the geysers, Old Faithful is the best as itís the most predictable, you donít want to sit for hours waiting for something to erupt.

There are a bunch or ranger talks that kids of that age will love, they give out activity books that will keep the kids busy as well.
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #337 on: July 06, 2020, 12:32:41 PM »
Because it's a lot easier to say no than enforce restrictions. They don't owe it to us to give us what we want. It's their land, they don't want, and it's about time we respect their no.  Additionally, it's more likely they'll regret access than regret disallowing access.

What if we agree to keep to the highway and if we drink their water, either us or our cattle, we will pay its price?

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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #338 on: July 06, 2020, 12:50:53 PM »
What if we agree to keep to the highway and if we drink their water, either us or our cattle, we will pay its price?
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #339 on: July 06, 2020, 07:48:53 PM »
If anyone's going to Grand Teton and can do me a small favor, please PM. Much appreciated.
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #340 on: July 07, 2020, 08:51:29 PM »
If anyone's going to Grand Teton and can do me a small favor, please PM. Much appreciated.
time sensitive? I'm planning to go in August

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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #341 on: July 07, 2020, 08:52:39 PM »
Planning to visit from Monday - Thursday. Staying in Island Park, ID (30 min from West entrance). With 4 kids age 7-12.

Monday - Geysers  How to do this? Which ones? Is a full day too much? 
Tuesday - "Grand Canyon" & Hayden Valley
Wednesday - Which would you recommend????  (Mammoth, West Thumb/Yellowstone Lake, Lamar Valley)
Thursday - Grand Teton What to do here? Jenny Lake hike?(planning on driving halfway to Vegas after)

Besides for sightseeing, what activities would you recommend?
Uncle Tom's Trail
Fairy Falls Trail
Rafting or boating
Anything else??

Please share any thoughts.
Thanks!!
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #342 on: July 07, 2020, 08:53:38 PM »
time sensitive? I'm planning to go in August

August is perfect.

I'll PM you.
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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #343 on: July 09, 2020, 06:10:40 PM »
Is this realistic in 2 days if I am on the road 6 a.m.?
Day 1

Day 2

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Re: Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks
« Reply #344 on: July 09, 2020, 06:42:09 PM »
Is this realistic in 2 days if I am on the road 6 a.m.?
Day 1

Day 2
Day one definitely. Day two might be too ambitious