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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2013, 07:56:17 PM »
Sure you can. If it touches you is that a violation?
Only if the dog is Jewish
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2013, 08:03:30 PM »
Let Chabad resolve your questions - http://m.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/522415/jewish/How-does-Shabbat-observance-affect-pet-owners.htm
Here we go again. Just find one that agrees with you.  :)

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2013, 08:03:34 PM »
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2013, 08:05:03 PM »
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM »
???
It's a Hebrew word,  so there really is no correct English spelling. 

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2013, 08:35:57 PM »
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דתניא רבי נתן אומר מניין שלא יגדל אדם כלב רע בתוך ביתו ואל יעמיד סולם רעוע בתוך ביתו ת"ל לא תשים דמים בביתך
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מי שיש ברשותו דבר המזיק כגון כלב רע או סולם רעוע מנדין אותו עד שיסיר היזקו
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וכן אסרו חכמים לגדל חזירים בכל מקום. ולא את הכלב אלא אם כן היה קשור בשלשלת. אבל מגדל הוא כלבים בעיר הסמוכה לספר. ביום קושרו ובלילה מתירו. ואמרו חכמים ארור מגדל כלבים וחזירים מפני שהיזקן מרובה ומצוי:
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2013, 08:44:49 PM »
Rambam:
I don mg think that was mesh's question ???

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2013, 08:44:59 PM »
@churnbabychurn
I've heard it argued that your typical pet dog 2,000 years ago is not the same as your typical dog today.
Dogs have become a lot less dangerous through breeding etc.
I can't say I know a lot about this - maybe CV could educate the grasshoppers.

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2013, 08:46:49 PM »
Only if the dog is Jewish
Reminds me of

Among others just do a quick search for "barkmitzva"

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2013, 08:47:43 PM »
@churnbabychurn
I've heard it argued that your typical pet dog 2,000 years ago is not the same as your typical dog today.
Dogs have become a lot less dangerous through breeding etc.
I can't say I know a lot about this - maybe CV could educate the grasshoppers.
The gemara talks about the fear causing miscarriages, in my community the fear of almost all dogs is widespread. Even today.


(Also, lets not start with "Nishtaneh hateva"- its a slippery slope  ;) )
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2013, 08:49:36 PM »
I don mg think that was mesh's question ???
I know, I just dont like em. No offense.
@mesh, check the halacha of feeding yourself before the pets. Thats all I know about dogs. :)

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2013, 08:51:13 PM »
I have some questions
Ask
Mesh please ask your dog question before these guys/gals drive me nuts.

Sorry, was off for a while.

But before I begin asking, I would like to apologize in advance - as none of my family or friends own a dog -  my questions may seem ignorant and maybe offensive. so please understand.

Here's my first question: what's the point of it?
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2013, 08:52:39 PM »
The gemara talks about the fear causing miscarriages, in my community the fear of almost all dogs is widespread. Even today.
In the times of the Gemoro, the fear was based on real concerns.
Fear in our times is most likely bred by ignorance, so the cure would be education and controlled exposure - not banning.
I imagine your community are just as scared of cats and mice - maybe ban them too!

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2013, 08:54:10 PM »
Fear in our times is most likely bred by ignorance, so the cure would be education and controlled exposure - not banning.
I imagine your community are just as scared of cats and mice - maybe ban them too!
The "ban" is in place, you want it removed, why?

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2013, 08:55:33 PM »
The "ban" is in place, you want it removed, why?
I am not a big dog-lover, so I don't mind if it is not removed.
However, I am just pointing out the argument that the ban might not apply in the first place to modern bred dogs.

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2013, 09:02:47 PM »
I know, I just dont like em. No offense.
@mesh, check the halacha of feeding yourself before the pets. Thats all I know about dogs. :)
Sure, I'll definitely ask my local rav before I get a pet  ;D

In any case, all the sources you quoted above clearly mention the reason: 'because its dangerous'.
I find it hard to believe they are referring to something like these tiny cute נשמה'לעך

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2013, 09:04:24 PM »
The gemara talks about the fear causing miscarriages, in my community the fear of almost all dogs is widespread. Even today.


(Also, lets not start with "Nishtaneh hateva"- its a slippery slope  ;) )

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2013, 09:06:34 PM »
Sure, I'll definitely ask my local rav before I get a pet  ;D

In any case, all the sources you quoted above clearly mention the reason: 'because its dangerous'.
I find it hard to believe they are referring to something like these tiny cute נשמה'לעך


+1
Most of them say clearly כלב רע

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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2013, 11:43:03 PM »
Source?You can't really leave a dog without touching it for 24 hours.
Touching is not a problem, moving the pet is
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Re: So Who Here Has a Dog?
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2013, 12:27:24 AM »
Here's my first question: what's the point of it?
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