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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1260 on: August 06, 2014, 08:07:58 AM »
Regarding #2 I once heard from a mashgiach that things were created in their complete form for example Adam was an adult and therefore if you were to cut open a tree it would have rings showing it was around for X amount of years even though it wasn't.
That still won't explain why God put old bones in the earth
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1261 on: August 06, 2014, 08:15:40 AM »
Can we just stop? I will take responsibility for most of the nonsense but I need your help. Too many threads are getting cluttered with this nonsense and members are getting upset (rightfully so). Letís just go back to posting as normal and leave all the extra stuff out. If we are ever at a DO together we can rehash anything you like. Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated.
Oh no.. You getting upset again? Please dont run away for a couple of weeks!  As you can see nothing changes, and a SN means nothing.

This is a random posts thread and if religion and politics of members makes you uncomfortable you know where the revolving door is!
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1262 on: August 06, 2014, 08:56:34 AM »
That still won't explain why God put old bones in the earth
Previous incarnations of the world?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1263 on: August 06, 2014, 09:23:53 AM »
Oh no.. You getting upset again? Please dont run away for a couple of weeks!  As you can see nothing changes, and a SN means nothing.
it seems the point I was making flew right by you as usual. i could care less what you or anyone else posts in JS. i am trying to do my part to keep other forums from being cluttered with this nonsense. if you and others feel it is not a problem then by all means keep it up I will be happy to add to it.
This is a random posts thread and if religion and politics of members makes you uncomfortable you know where the revolving door is!
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make me uncomfortable? what in the world are you smoking? 95% of the members could not handle my posts on religion/politics if I spoke my mind.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1264 on: August 06, 2014, 09:44:22 AM »
make me uncomfortable? what in the world are you smoking? 95% of the members could not handle my posts on religion/politics if I spoke my mind.
The question is, can you handle our posts on R&P. I don't think you can take it for too long! ;) :)

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1265 on: August 06, 2014, 09:46:50 AM »
The question is, can you handle our posts on R&P. I don't think you can take it for too long! ;) :)
one way to find out. can you walk the walk and not just talk the talk?  :P
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1266 on: August 06, 2014, 09:49:01 AM »
one way to find out. can you walk the walk and not just talk the talk?  :P
We should have an r&p thread

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1267 on: August 06, 2014, 10:05:01 AM »
Why do I care what science says about the meraglim grapes. It's shteit in torah and therefore it's true.

I don't think you need to have the answer for carbon dating (i personally don't have such an interest in these things). But to dismiss carbon dating out of hand just because scientists don't acknowledge giants strikes me as silly, disingenuous and lacking intellectual honesty
I'm not dismissing it but I'm not losing sleep either!
 In other words, discussions of that nature are probably ok, but have absolutely no affect on our belief system. -When there is an absolute truth, just like today is day, you can ask away, but its all gonna be like WTVR, just look out the window... The questions may or may not have substance but they cannot change the fact that it the sun is shining.

And yes, the world was created in 5775 in 7 days.

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1268 on: August 06, 2014, 10:31:04 AM »
it seems the point I was making flew right by you as usual. i could care less what you or anyone else posts in JS. i am trying to do my part to keep other forums from being cluttered with this nonsense. if you and others feel it is not a problem then by all means keep it up I will be happy to add to it.
I apologize . In weaker moments I sometimes take the bait.:-[
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1269 on: August 06, 2014, 10:40:30 AM »
That still won't explain why God put old bones in the earth
being that everything was created in its complete form, the earth would have to look much older than it really is. just like Adam was created to look in his complete form even though he was just created.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1270 on: August 06, 2014, 12:23:22 PM »
I'm not dismissing it but I'm not losing sleep either!
 In other words, discussions of that nature are probably ok, but have absolutely no affect on our belief system. -When there is an absolute truth, just like today is day, you can ask away, but its all gonna be like WTVR, just look out the window... The questions may or may not have substance but they cannot change the fact that it the sun is shining.
No one told you to lose sleep over it. And you never answered my question. Which of the 3 do you think is likely? (Or some other answer)

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And yes, the world was created in 5775 in 7 days.
Like a few weeks ago?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1271 on: August 06, 2014, 12:24:16 PM »
being that everything was created in its complete form, the earth would have to look much older than it really is. just like Adam was created to look in his complete form even though he was just created.
Why does "earth in a complete form" necessarily include bones with the molecular make up of being millions of years old?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1272 on: August 06, 2014, 12:38:58 PM »
No one told you to lose sleep over it. And you never answered my question. Which of the 3 do you think is likely? (Or some other answer)

I didn't address the question, I addressed the premise. The implication that I am somehow responsible to supply an answer is wrong.
I know nothing about carbon dating and frankly don't care. I therefore am totally unqualified to address it.

If you want to know when the world was created you can ask my 4 year old son...-Or any other frum ehrlicheh child who ever existed for that matter. These things are not at all complicated!

If you want to get involved with the chkira method of emuna, be my guest! But pray you don't lose the forest for the trees.. It's very difficult, and way above my pay grade, so I'm out...

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1273 on: August 06, 2014, 12:42:33 PM »

Like a few weeks ago in a few months?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1274 on: August 06, 2014, 12:54:51 PM »
I didn't address the question, I addressed the premise. The implication that I am somehow responsible to supply an answer is wrong.
I know nothing about carbon dating and frankly don't care. I therefore am totally unqualified to address it.

If you want to know when the world was created you can ask my 4 year old son...-Or any other frum ehrlicheh child who ever existed for that matter. These things are not at all complicated!

If you want to get involved with the chkira method of emuna, be my guest! But pray you don't lose the forest for the trees.. It's very difficult, and way above my pay grade, so I'm out...

No one said anything about chakira.
To quote someone you probably wouldn't "the source of faith is faith itself." And I agree whole heartedly with that (It's from an essay by R' Aron Lichtenstein, which happens to be beautiful).
The central point of the essay:
Quote from: R' Aron Lichtenstein
What I received from all my mentors, at home or in yeshiva, was the key to confronting life, particularly modern life, in all its complexity: the recognition that it was not so necessary to have all the answers as to learn to live with the questions. Regardless of what issues--moral, theological, textual or historical--vexed me, I was confident that they had been raised by masters far sharper and wiser than myself; and if they had remained impregnably steadfast in their commitment, so should and could I
And
Quote from: R' Aron Lichtenstein
"Teach me good discernment and knowledge: for I have believed the commandments." Answers, I of course continued--and continue --to seek, and have found many. But commitment has not been conditioned upon them.
That doesn't mean you ignore the chovos halevavos sha'ar habechinah. It doesn't mean you close your eyes to the world around you. It means you go in with a knowledge that your faith is well rooted in a mesorah which dates backs thousands of years to a national giluy shchina at har sinai which is unshakable.
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1275 on: August 06, 2014, 01:03:15 PM »
I think you mean shar hayichud and yes, I do ignore it for now...  I also doubt I will ever be up to that level.

But I guess we are basically on the same page.  :)

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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1276 on: August 06, 2014, 01:28:33 PM »
I think you mean shar hayichud and yes, I do ignore it for now...  I also doubt I will ever be up to that level.

But I guess we are basically on the same page.  :)
No i meant sha'ar habechina where he talks about achieving emunah through observing the world and nature
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1277 on: August 06, 2014, 01:30:05 PM »
And I think there is a big difference between "learning to live with questions" and ignoring questions
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1278 on: August 06, 2014, 02:53:52 PM »
Did Adam have a belly button?
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Re: Random Posts For Non-Meshugeners
« Reply #1279 on: August 06, 2014, 03:01:52 PM »
Who cares?
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