Author Topic: Boycott Kaporas? (Read 70332 times)

henche · « **Reply #100 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:33:16 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:30:59 PM

You lost me on this one.What you do with the chicken has nothing to do with the way it was killed.

Of course it does. You can't look at an action without its context.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #101 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:34:08 PM »

Quote from: Dan on September 20, 2015, 10:32:18 PM

That's the same way we slaughter all meat. It's intended to be the least painful manner of death.

I am not disagreeing.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #102 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:36:18 PM »

Quote from: henche on September 20, 2015, 10:33:16 PM

Of course it does. You can't look at an action without its context.

This isn't a court case.

If you want to justify the killing on the chicken because it is feeding the poor that is fine. How you kill the chicken will determine if it is a humane way not what you do with the chicken after you kill it.

henche · « **Reply #103 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:40:05 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:36:18 PM

This isn't a court case.

Did you get tickets to TLV on Friday? Which flight?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #104 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:41:32 PM »

Quote from: henche on September 20, 2015, 10:40:05 PM

Did you get tickets to TLV on Friday? Which flight?

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:30:59 PM

You lost me on this one.

henche · « **Reply #105 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:41:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:36:18 PM

If you want tojustify the killing on the chicken because it is feeding the poor that is fine. How you kill the chicken will determine if it is a humane way not what you do with the chicken after you kill it.

Oh, I didn't realize you were arguing that the manner of killing was inhumane, as opposed to a different manner.

What's your preferred method? Why is slitting its neck worse? It takes an instant and it loses all blood to the brain instantly.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #106 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:44:35 PM »

Quote from: henche on September 20, 2015, 10:41:58 PM

What's your preferred method? Why is slitting its neck worse? It takes an instant and it loses all blood to the brain instantly.

Is this the same way it works in humans? I don't except you to answer that because you know what my next question will be.

David Smith · « **Reply #107 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:48:23 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:44:35 PM

Is this the same way it works in humans? I don't except you to answer that because you know what my next question will be.

You want to know my preferred way to be killed? I'd rather not be killed. However, if the actual killing of the animal is agreed to be fine, I don't think this is an unethical method. Humans also have a principle of preserving the dignity of the body, which obviously doesn't apply here..

henche · « **Reply #108 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:48:31 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:44:35 PM

Is this the same way it works in humans? I don't except you to answer that because you know what my next question will be.

Actually, it isn't. Humans have two separate blood supplies to their brain, so there is still brain function even if the carotid is severed. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK11042/

zale · « **Reply #109 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:50:34 PM »

Quote from: Dan on September 20, 2015, 09:58:31 PM

Kaparos will be eliminated by chabadskers when we start getting rid of metzitzah b'peh and our beards. Or maybe once we start drinking C"S.
Just ain't gonna happen.

Don't see why it needs to be fly by night. It's not by me.

Not necessarily. Women and children doing kapparos several days before Yom Kippur is a relatively new enactment by rabbonim. The minhag of doing it "b'ashmuros" was essentially eliminated for women.

Kapparos does not require a chicken. If things continue to get out of hand I can see it slowly phasing out.. first a p'sak that women and children should use money, and eventually...

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #110 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:52:38 PM »

Quote from: henche on September 20, 2015, 10:48:31 PM

Actually, it isn't.

That kills my next question.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #111 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:57:27 PM »

How is it swung over the head? Held by the feet, wings or neck?

tzifanya54 · « **Reply #112 on:** September 20, 2015, 10:59:02 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 10:57:27 PM

How is it swung over the head? Held by the feet, wings or neck?

Feet

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #113 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:00:06 PM »

Quote from: tzifanya54 on September 20, 2015, 10:59:02 PM

Feet

Wings would seem less painful but am glad it is not by the neck.

aygart · « **Reply #114 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:00:24 PM »

Wings

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #115 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:02:59 PM »

Quote from: tzifanya54 on September 20, 2015, 10:59:02 PM

Feet

Quote from: aygart on September 20, 2015, 11:00:24 PM

Wings

I guess there is no one answer? Why doesn't that surprise me.

David Smith · « **Reply #116 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:05:24 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

I guess there is no one answer? Why doesn't that surprise me.

There's no religiously preferred method. People do however the chicken seems most comfortable. You'd be surprised how calm they are, if you know how to hold them. It sounds worse than it is.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #117 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:11:11 PM »

Quote from: David Smith on September 20, 2015, 11:05:24 PM

There's no religiously preferred method.

The word "custom" was used to describe this. Would that be accurate?

tzifanya54 · « **Reply #118 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:11:21 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

I guess there is no one answer? Why doesn't that surprise me.

I'm just basing it on what I remember... He is probably right (wings). I personally do it with money.

David Smith · « **Reply #119 on:** September 20, 2015, 11:15:57 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 11:11:11 PM

The word "custom" was used to describe this. Would that be accurate?

Is it an absolute commandment? No. Is it a made up thing with no real basis or meaning? Also no. A lot of things we do are "extra credit", so to speak.