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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #120 on: September 20, 2015, 11:23:58 PM »
The word "custom" was used to describe this. Would that be accurate? 
The custom is to swing it over your head, how you swing it is up to you, I've always seen them being swung by the wings, when I went to Israel I first saw people hold the chickens by the feet, in either way the chickens seen to stay pretty calm throughout the ordeal.

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #121 on: September 20, 2015, 11:27:40 PM »


The custom is to swing it over your head, how you swing it is up to you, I've always seen them being swung by the wings
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #122 on: September 20, 2015, 11:28:44 PM »
I guess there is no one answer? Why doesn't that surprise me.  :)
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #123 on: September 20, 2015, 11:34:54 PM »
If things continue to get out of hand I can see it slowly phasing out.. first a p'sak that women and children should use money, and eventually...

Never ever ever gonna happen in my circles!
People tend to have no issue changing from what their fathers and forefathers did for hundreds of years without even feeling guilty about it...

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #124 on: September 20, 2015, 11:44:57 PM »
Great Video, actually from a protester in Lakewood:

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #125 on: September 20, 2015, 11:55:02 PM »
The custom is to swing it over your head, how you swing it is up to you, I've always seen them being swung by the wings, when I went to Israel I first saw people hold the chickens by the feet, in either way the chickens seen to stay pretty calm throughout the ordeal.

the only people I used to see in the 90's swing them by the feet were the pre-war grandmothers/fathers otherwise I would say in NYC 99% swing it by the wings
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2015, 01:45:32 AM »
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2015, 01:58:44 AM »
Best Ducks \ Chickens for Kaporas   :P:


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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2015, 12:09:09 PM »
Ive personally been using chickens fro the last 8 yrs as they were never before available to me before that. The chickens I've seen were almost always properly handled in cages w/ food and ppl swung by the wings. The chickens always flip out when u take them out of the cage but once they get used to being held by someone for a few seconds they calm down IME. I personally prefer the places with live shchitta so I can do Kissuy Hadam and am less worried the chickens will be crammed into a tight cage

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2015, 12:12:11 PM »
Great Video, actually from a protester in Lakewood:

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Looking at the chicken area here it looks like they at least made efforts to take care of the chickens. They are under a tarp and there are water buckets presumably to give them water from.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2015, 12:18:59 PM »
Looking at the chicken area here it looks like they at least made efforts to take care of the chickens. They are under a tarp and there are water buckets presumably to give them water from.
Iirc there is a halachic reason to water the animal b4 shcita.

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2015, 12:21:51 PM »
Who, where and when is the throat cutting done?
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2015, 12:21:58 PM »
Iirc there is a halachic reason to water the animal b4 shcita.

never heard this.. The closest thing to that I can remember (IIRC) is that it makes skinning the animal easier.. now dont ask me for a source in the gemora because I am posting this off memory.. I cant remember which mesechta I learned this in.. there are bigger talmidei chachumim on here than me.. If someone can direct me to this gemora I would greatly appreciate it!

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2015, 12:22:56 PM »
Who, where and when is the throat cutting done?

1 minute after the ceremony. usually in the back of the place.. by any random "shochet" who has a "degree" in "shechita"

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2015, 12:25:27 PM »
Who, where and when is the throat cutting done?
I still don't see how this is different that any old slaughterhouse. What am I missing here?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2015, 12:25:55 PM »
Iirc there is a halachic reason to water the animal b4 shcita.
IIRC that is for Kodshim since
it makes skinning the animal easier..
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2015, 12:28:35 PM »
you also remember that? I cant remember which mesechta I learned it in... I am learning Shabbos these days.. Might it be there?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2015, 12:39:05 PM »
Who, where and when is the throat cutting done?
The throat, usually.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2015, 12:49:40 PM »
you also remember that? I cant remember which mesechta I learned it in... I am learning Shabbos these days.. Might it be there?
It would be in beitza 40a