Looking at the chicken area here it looks like they at least made efforts to take care of the chickens. They are under a tarp and there are water buckets presumably to give them water from.
I still don't see how this is different that any old slaughterhouse. What am I missing here?
Bc if its done in public for all to see, I can understand why someone who doesnt appriciate the significance of kaporos would be upset by this.
It would be in beitza 40a
They held a loud protest last night in BP. Straight out of zuccotti park. "We have happiness, the chickens have happiness. We have sadness, they have sadness." They're not looking for "humane", they don't want animals being killed & eaten, period.
The answer to all of this is simple. 1) If you are not a vegetarian -this isn't any different than the chicken you buy and eat. Oh seeing the blood makes you think about it too much? Deal with it2) If you are a vegetarian - I'm not. Sorry to hear you don't get to enjoy meat. Go protest outside the many slaughterhouses and restaurants all over the world before focusing on the few chickens used in Kapparos.
Not necessarily. Women and children doing kapparos several days before Yom Kippur is a relatively new enactment by rabbonim. The minhag of doing it "b'ashmuros" was essentially eliminated for women.Kapparos does not require a chicken. If things continue to get out of hand I can see it slowly phasing out.. first a p'sak that women and children should use money, and eventually...
Exactly. Go protest outside McDonalds!
Yes, that's where this becomes pretty blatant anti-religious instead of just an animal "rights" thing. Perhaps anti-semitism, but I can't prove that since perhaps they'd also protest if the Christians were doing it.
which is why the shulchan aruch didnt hold of this minhag IIRC
Not sure what you're referencing.
"Several important rabbinic figures have opposed the practice with chickens, including the 13th-century Spanish sage Nahmanides and Rabbi Yosef Karo, a 15th century scholar who lived in Spain, Turkey and Israel and is renowned for his comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch."
ok, it had to do with what christians were doing?
yes, we need a TimT for religious text searches its somewhere in that section
never heard this.. The closest thing to that I can remember (IIRC) is that it makes skinning the animal easier.. now dont ask me for a source in the gemora because I am posting this off memory.. I cant remember which mesechta I learned this in.. there are bigger talmidei chachumim on here than me.. If someone can direct me to this gemora I would greatly appreciate it!
IIRC that is for Kodshim since
you also remember that? I cant remember which mesechta I learned it in... I am learning Shabbos these days.. Might it be there?
Thanks for the mareh mokom.Took a quick look, gemara not mashma only kodshim. and the rambam in peirush mentions that it prevents sirchus.
