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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #280 on: September 27, 2017, 05:24:36 PM »
Donate the money to someone that needs it.

Which money?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #281 on: September 27, 2017, 05:29:13 PM »
Which money?
The money for brutally killing a chicken?
Yes I eat chicken.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #282 on: September 27, 2017, 05:40:36 PM »
The money for brutally killing a chicken?
Yes I eat chicken.
What makes this more brutal than any other way of killing a chicken?
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #283 on: September 27, 2017, 05:43:44 PM »
What makes this more brutal than any other way of killing a chicken?
In the open in the middle of NYC maybe? Point being that it looks like a barbaric act. Why can't in be done in private?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #284 on: September 27, 2017, 05:46:34 PM »
In the open in the middle of NYC maybe? Point being that it looks like a barbaric act. Why can't in be done in private?

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I've never been to one of these large-scale operations, the only time I've seen it done has been in a small parking lot behind a private building so I can only comment on what those are like. I personally use money which is donated to charity, I'm not a huge fan of chickens doing their business on my head.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #285 on: September 27, 2017, 05:49:28 PM »
I've never been to one of these large-scale operations, the only time I've seen it done has been in a small parking lot behind a private building so I can only comment on what those are like. I personally use money which is donated to charity, I'm not a huge fan of chickens doing their business on my head.
Not available for public viewing would be a good thing.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #286 on: September 27, 2017, 06:04:40 PM »
The money for brutally killing a chicken?
Yes I eat chicken.

What does eating chicken have to do with this. You said to donate the money.  Why do you assume there is money, just because we're Jewish?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #287 on: September 27, 2017, 06:07:12 PM »
@ChaimMoskowitz answer one simple question.  Yes or no.  If there was  dying chicken on the road with no legs, and it was about to be killed by accident by something you had set in motion, would you or would you not, stop it from being killed?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #288 on: September 27, 2017, 06:28:49 PM »
What does eating chicken have to do with this.
Answering a question before it asked.
You said to donate the money.  Why do you assume there is money, just because we're Jewish?
You don't pay for the chicken? I guess most here were pulling my leg then.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #289 on: September 27, 2017, 06:36:17 PM »
@ChaimMoskowitz answer one simple question.  Yes or no.  If there was  dying chicken on the road with no legs, and it was about to be killed by accident by something you had set in motion, would you or would you not, stop it from being killed?
The no legs make it a tough me. Going to need more facts.

Why do feel you have the right to ask me a yes/no question when you avoid them like the plague.  :)
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #290 on: September 27, 2017, 06:38:04 PM »
The oil is starting to heat up; quick, someone get a box of kernels.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #291 on: September 27, 2017, 06:46:21 PM »
The oil is starting to heat up; quick, someone get a box of kernels.
There might be carryover from another thread.  ;)
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #292 on: September 28, 2017, 06:08:48 PM »
Agree on how kapores has become a debacle, what about the trashing of many chickens ?I was at kapores in miami where chickens came, many dead, many dying.

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #293 on: September 28, 2017, 06:10:13 PM »
In the open in the middle of NYC maybe? Point being that it looks like a barbaric act. Why can't in be done in private?

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What makes this more brutal than any other way of killing a chicken?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #294 on: September 28, 2017, 06:27:49 PM »
In the open in the middle of NYC maybe? Point being that it looks like a barbaric act. Why can't in be done in private?

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So you have nothing against slaughtering chickens or this ritual, you just want it done in hiding so you can pretend that chicken is created in clean vacuum packed trays in the supermarket fridge?

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #295 on: September 28, 2017, 06:55:49 PM »
So you have nothing against slaughtering chickens or this ritual, you just want it done in hiding so you can pretend that chicken is created in clean vacuum packed trays in the supermarket fridge?

Boss baby and storks come to mind

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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #296 on: September 28, 2017, 06:56:24 PM »
Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are many people (in the Kosher market too) who make a point, and pay more, to only buy animals raised and processed humanely and ethically.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #297 on: September 28, 2017, 06:58:02 PM »
So you have nothing against slaughtering chickens or this ritual, you just want it done in hiding so you can pretend that chicken is created in clean vacuum packed trays in the supermarket fridge?

I happen to have an issue with how chickens are handled before they are slaughtered as well. I have no issue with killing chickens to eat.
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #298 on: September 28, 2017, 07:23:46 PM »
So you have nothing against slaughtering chickens or this ritual, you just want it done in hiding so you can pretend that chicken is created in clean vacuum packed trays in the supermarket fridge?
Actually I do but didn't a court rule it was OK?
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Re: Boycott Kaporas?
« Reply #299 on: September 28, 2017, 08:26:55 PM »
Donate the money to someone that needs it.
Actually the proper way to do it is to then eat the chicken yourself (seuda hamafsekes) and donate it's value to the needy. When kapporos are sold by organizations for inflated prices, the part of donating the value to the needy is included.

Another benefit of doing that when you have kids is giving them a little education about how to kasher meat, getting them to a realization that the chicken they eat isn't created in clean vacuum packed trays in the supermarket fridge.
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