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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3500 on: February 15, 2021, 07:20:23 PM »
When a Sefer says שם for pages, until you find which דף or סימן it's referencing.
Are they really being so cheap on the ink?
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3501 on: February 15, 2021, 07:33:39 PM »
When a Sefer says שם for pages, until you find which דף or סימן it's referencing.
Are they really being so cheap on the ink?
Yup.

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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3502 on: February 15, 2021, 07:37:42 PM »
Yup.

Rabbi Ibid is one of the most knowledgeable talmidei chachomim, and he's so well-versed in secular matters as well!
Oh, so Ibid is שם's English name. I wonder how they chose that as the equivalent :P, it doesn't have any of the same letters????
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3503 on: February 15, 2021, 07:58:55 PM »
Thanks for that. I just read the most recent entry on the site (5 months old) and found it quite amusing.
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3504 on: February 15, 2021, 08:00:16 PM »
From Wiktionary:

meant
simple past tense and past participle of mean

mean
(transitive, usually in passive) To intend (something) for a given purpose or fate; to predestine. [from 16th c.]
[Example:] Actually this desk was meant for the subeditor.
The second meaning of meant is when referring to objects that were intended for someone or something. Not when people should have been doing something. That's the distinction I think.
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3505 on: February 15, 2021, 08:14:07 PM »
The second meaning of meant is when referring to objects that were intended for someone or something. Not when people should have been doing something. That's the distinction I think.

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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3506 on: February 15, 2021, 08:47:08 PM »
This will all make more sense next Wednesday
this Wednesday or next Wednesday?
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3507 on: February 15, 2021, 09:07:08 PM »
this Wednesday or next Wednesday?
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3508 on: February 16, 2021, 02:51:49 PM »
The second meaning of meant is when referring to objects that were intended for someone or
something, not when people should have been doing something. That's the distinction, I think.

*cough cough*

The meaning in the use you objected to is that someone had intended for the party in question to do something.
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3509 on: February 16, 2021, 02:54:25 PM »
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3510 on: February 16, 2021, 07:09:03 PM »
*cough cough*
The meaning in the use you objected to is that someone had intended for the party in question to do something.
Not exactly, though. No one intended for the hat to actively climb onto someone's head. The hat is meant to be placed (passive verb) on your head. You are supposed to put (active verb) it on your head.
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3511 on: February 17, 2021, 03:40:42 PM »
Those were meant to be separate. The first point was that according to this,
The second meaning of meant is when referring to objects that were intended for someone or something.
the earlier example you had given of problematic use was incorrect.

Then, I thought you meant, by
Not when people should have been doing something.
that you were objecting to the use of "meant" in statements such as "Joe was meant to bring it yesterday."
"Someone had intended for the party in question to do something" was a response to that.

Are you still maintaining that "meant" in your hat example was a valid example of incorrect use?
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3512 on: February 17, 2021, 04:43:30 PM »
Are you still maintaining that "meant" in your hat example was a valid example of incorrect use?
Yes. It was not meant to go on your head. Hats don't go anywhere on their own. It was meant to be placed on your head (passive verb).
It works with people to. Children are meant to be sent to bed when they are tired. They are supposed to listen when their parents tell them to go to sleep.

The distinction (I think) is whether it's an active verb / action that someone was supposed to do, vs a passive verb where someone (who is not mentioned) is supposed to be doing something to something else (like someone putting a hat on a head). The hat is meant to be placed on your head, it isn't meant for putting on feet. In other words, hats are meant for keeping heads warm, not feet.
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3513 on: February 17, 2021, 05:22:19 PM »
Citation, please.

It was not "meant to go on your head."

...

The hat is meant to be placed on your head.

I don't think that's how that works (or that "to go," in reference to an object, implies that it goes by itself).
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3514 on: February 17, 2021, 06:19:59 PM »
Citation, please.

I don't think that's how that works (or that "to go," in reference to an object, implies that it goes by itself).
That first example wasn't such a good one. But here's where it's coming from:
"Mr hat, you are meant to go on a head" -> wrong
"Mr person, your hat is meant to be placed on your head" -> right
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3515 on: February 17, 2021, 06:39:16 PM »
And the source for that is?
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3516 on: February 17, 2021, 07:54:22 PM »
no official source
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3517 on: February 27, 2021, 10:34:13 PM »
GLITTER!!
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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3518 on: February 27, 2021, 10:53:44 PM »
GLITTER!!
Based on the amount of times Lurker liked that post, I would be inclined to ask him if he ever stole packages off Mark Rober's porch...

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Re: Master Thread of Pet Peeves
« Reply #3519 on: February 27, 2021, 11:03:01 PM »
Based on the amount of times Lurker liked that post, I would be inclined to ask him if he ever stole packages off Mark Rober's porch...

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