5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread

[JMHO]

There are many, many issues. How separate dairy/ meat and sometimes fish kitchens are apart from each other. Which suppliers establishment gets their supplies from. (Mehudar establishments have more restrictions where to buy their material from.) Onions and eggs overnight. Who has access to the kitchen. No mashgiach temidi or even working mashgiach. How well vegies are cleaned. The list goes on.

The Vaaad says "You should be aware that all the vendors who received all of the checks have sacrificed financial expense and culinary expertise to achieve this" to be labeled as mehudar. So there must be many differences.

Mehudar? I think this should have been called Mehadrin Min HaMehadrin! 

[ushdadude]

Thanks. If it was just the fish and the tuna, it's easily avoidable, but I am very curious to know what the other things are

It's listed on the Vaad's website

[sammyp]

Did you read what I wrote?

In each issue, there are different standards. Many issues are ifference of opinions iamomgst earlier poskim.

The Mehudar standards is what is considered mid-line. It is the standard of Kehila Kashrus. Most of the Flatbush crowd aims for that standard.

There is a higher standard, as I explained.

And there is the Vaad regular standard. This is the way the Vaad explains it.

Another example, Rabbi Soleveichek ztl did now allow companies to sell their Chometz. OU follows his psak. The highest standard supervision does not allow establishments to sell their Chometz. The Vaad, as do many Vaadim, do allow this.

[sammyp]

It's listed on the Vaad's website

The Vaad's website has a category called additional hidurim. They do not say what those hidurim are.

[ushdadude]

The Vaad's website has a category called additional hidurim. They do not say what those hidurim are.

https://vaadhakashrus.org/checklist-explanations/

[sammyp]

https://vaadhakashrus.org/checklist-explanations/

It only gives a a partial list of hidurim. ("including..")

Rabbi Forst had a list of things needed to qualify for his old list. The Vaad says all the Mehudar establishments at least meet those requirements.(As per Rabbi Forst list)

The Vaad is trying to act transparent, but they do not tell you everything.

I personally asked a Mashgiach about the produce in a certain establishment. He told me "it's cleaned, but not for you". And that's the Mashgiach talking.

There are many levels of hidurim.

[ushdadude]

It only gives a a partial list of hidurim. ("including..")

Rabbi Forst had a list of things needed to qualify for his old list. The Vaad says all the Mehudar establishments at least meet those requirements.(As per Rabbi Forst list)

The Vaad is trying to act transparent, but they do not tell you everything.

I personally asked a Mashgiach about the produce in a certain establishment. He told me "it's cleaned, but not for you". And that's the Mashgiach talking.

There are many levels of hidurim.

agreed. the vaad is very transparent about that. their mission is to help the entire community and not everyone in the community has standards as high as you or me. that's why they have the hidurim check

[JMHO]

Does Mehadrin share this information- what their standards and Hidurim are?

[moko]

Did you read what I wrote?

In each issue, there are different standards. Many issues are ifference of opinions iamomgst earlier poskim.

The Mehudar standards is what is considered mid-line. It is the standard of Kehila Kashrus. Most of the Flatbush crowd aims for that standard.

There is a higher standard, as I explained.

And there is the Vaad regular standard. This is the way the Vaad explains it.

Another example, Rabbi Soleveichek ztl did now allow companies to sell their Chometz. OU follows his psak. The highest standard supervision does not allow establishments to sell their Chometz. The Vaad, as do many Vaadim, do allow this.

say what??

[dealfinder11]

Doesn't seem like it. But they will be selling audio afterword for $10

Is this available online?

[mercaz1]

Is this available online?

its going around whatsapp

[dasmo801]

Is this available online?

Link to audio at Hefkervelt
https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2022/06/audio-rav-ephraim-wachsman-song-for.html?m=1

[ushdadude]

Im not sure if that it accurate.

The BY Tuna is cooked on the boat, like most Tuna. To be BY, there has to be a MT, so simanim are irrelevant.

Why is this true the other way around. Just because simanim are checked, why does that have to do with BY?

Regardless, in the context of the Vaad sign, they are not talking about canned tuna.

I think this is the source of the confusion. I dug a little further and discovered that tuna is not actually cooked on the boat (at least not OU tuna)

[moko]

I think this is the source of the confusion. I dug a little further and discovered that tuna is not actually cooked on the boat (at least not OU tuna)

correct. There cooked in giant retorts

[stooges44]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg2592156#msg2592156

[sammyp]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg2592156#msg2592156

I'm sure you know the reason why the Five Towns Costco was #1.

Why did they sell so many more here than in any other frum neighborhood?

The answer is simple: In other neighborhoods, most people try to eat only Cholov Yisroel, at least on Yom Tov. In addition, halacha very strongly suggests to only eat Pas Yisroel on Shabbos and Yom Tov. (Just like we are supposed to be careful during the Aseres Yemei Teshuva)

It's nothing to be proud of that only our Costco sold so many Pas Palter Cholov Stam cheese cakes. Especially when most of us can afford the Cholov Yisroel ones.

[JMHO]

It's nothing to be proud of that only our Costco sold so many Pas Palter Cholov Stam cheese cakes. Especially when most of us can afford the Cholov Yisroel ones.

Please stop being so negative 

[WAM]

I'm sure you know the reason why the Five Towns Costco was #1.

Please refrain from negative comments about your brothers and sisters. There may be chumra to refrain from certain foods on certain days. You can even respond that is not a chumra, it's halacha.
But now ask yourself, what would Hashem rather:
A) Somebody eat chalav stam and eat pas palter every day and never speak loshon hara (even about people who are not the gedolei hador) or any other aveira, or
B) Somebody keep every chumra in the book, have the most kavana and be the biggest anav, and do no aveira, except to speak loshon hara about an entire community just once in their life?

If you think the answer is B, you may want to go through the Chafetz Chaim to be sure.

[ethana]

I'm sure you know the reason why the Five Towns Costco was #1.

Why did they sell so many more here than in any other frum neighborhood?

The answer is simple: In other neighborhoods, most people try to eat only Cholov Yisroel, at least on Yom Tov. In addition, halacha very strongly suggests to only eat Pas Yisroel on Shabbos and Yom Tov. (Just like we are supposed to be careful during the Aseres Yemei Teshuva)

It's nothing to be proud of that only our Costco sold so many Pas Palter Cholov Stam cheese cakes. Especially when most of us can afford the Cholov Yisroel ones.

Maybe it just tastes better you fomenter of Sinas chinam or going on some crusade of who knows what. Perhaps mea shearim would be a better for you

[sammyp]

Maybe it just tastes better you fomenter of Sinas chinam or going on some crusade of who knows what. Perhaps mea shearim would be a better for you

Are you implying there is something wrong with the holy community of Meah Shearim?

Seems like I touched a raw nerve.

I can supply sources,  but it would be better to ask your personal Rabbi about eating Pas Palter on Shabbos etc..

I did not intend to talk bad about people. I agree this is not a well known Halacha. It is written in Shulchan Aruch though.  Each person has to ask his own Rabbi how to implement this Halacha on their own level.

I just don't see why you seem to think it's better to knock the concept you don't know about. Or why it's better throw insults at Meah Shearim. They are very special people over there.