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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread  (Read 141993 times)

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1725 on: April 24, 2018, 01:02:21 PM »

Umm I did. They found chameitz in a restaurant that sold their chameitz. Please stop trying to throw mud at the Vaad at every opportunity you have. Its easy to start rumors with no basis on a forum where no one knows your name and you dont specify your "sources".
What were the details? We're they serving chometz, or did a worker being in outside food? Or they just found something that hadn't been locked away ?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1726 on: April 24, 2018, 01:11:30 PM »
YWN article is not my source.

How about you reveal your source in the Vaad. I know what I know. If you think my info is wrong, tell us who you spoke to. There is no reason your source would want to remain anonymous. They are backing the Vaad. My source has reason to remain anonymous.

Unless you are the vaad, or the owner of one of their establishments.

Im not the one coming with accusations. You made a claim and after I spoke to someone I know at the Vaad he explained to me that they found chameitz that was sold. If I need to I would tell you who he is but I have no reason to until you reveal who gives you false rumors about the vaad. If its true what he is saying and this person is trying to help the tzibur he should be proud to tell people real information. Otherwise, its hearsay and accusations should not be made. But keep searching for dirt

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1727 on: April 24, 2018, 01:13:07 PM »
What were the details? We're they serving chometz, or did a worker being in outside food? Or they just found something that hadn't been locked away ?

Something which was part of the mechira had not been locked away properly

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1728 on: April 24, 2018, 01:59:54 PM »
Something which was part of the mechira had not been locked away properly
Was it being served? I assume the mashgiach is supposed to check to make sure all chometz is locked up, so it does sound like the fault lies with the vaad. If it wasn't served it wouldnt seem to be as egregious as some make it sound.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1729 on: April 24, 2018, 02:04:56 PM »
Was it being served? I assume the mashgiach is supposed to check to make sure all chometz is locked up, so it does sound like the fault lies with the vaad. If it wasn't served it wouldnt seem to be as egregious as some make it sound.

If it wasn't served, it wouldn't be a story. All chometz is included in mechira, whether locked up or not.

If it wasn't served, or at least almost served, there would be no cameras going up

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1730 on: April 24, 2018, 02:09:05 PM »
If it wasn't served, it wouldn't be a story. All chometz is included in mechira, whether locked up or not.

If it wasn't served, or at least almost served, there would be no cameras going up
So was the restaurant aware that it was chometz, but served it anyway, or they just didn't realize since it wasn't locked away?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1731 on: April 24, 2018, 02:10:15 PM »
If it wasn't served, it wouldn't be a story. All chometz is included in mechira, whether locked up or not.

If it wasn't served, or at least almost served, there would be no cameras going up
Im sure you're aware because you know everything but the vaad 5T already has a camera policy on certain establishments for some time.
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1732 on: April 24, 2018, 02:11:48 PM »
Im sure you're aware because you know everything but the vaad 5T already has a camera policy on certain establishments for some time.
So did this place have cameras? Which establishments needed cameras? Was there a specific criteria that determined which ones?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1733 on: April 24, 2018, 04:23:22 PM »
If it wasn't served, it wouldn't be a story. All chometz is included in mechira, whether locked up or not.

If it wasn't served, or at least almost served, there would be no cameras going up

Why is this true? People hear things and assume the worst who saids it was served? If chameitz that was left out and was sold was found there is no halachik difference.

Im sure you're aware because you know everything but the vaad 5T already has a camera policy on certain establishments for some time.

This is true. Assuming they served chameitz just bc they are cracking down on a rule is honestly ridiculous.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1734 on: April 24, 2018, 04:26:33 PM »
Was it being served? I assume the mashgiach is supposed to check to make sure all chometz is locked up, so it does sound like the fault lies with the vaad. If it wasn't served it wouldnt seem to be as egregious as some make it sound.

It wasnít served so it doesnít matter that the chameitz wasnít locked away (although it is preferable to have it put in a specified spot)

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1735 on: April 24, 2018, 04:40:40 PM »
It wasnít served so it doesnít matter that the chameitz wasnít locked away (although it is preferable to have it put in a specified spot)

You are on the defense with absolutely no knowledge of what happened. If your "source" is telling you nothing happened, you should reveal your source and the Vaad woulf be vindicated l. You have nothing to hide.

Did your source tell you nothing was served, or almost served? Or is that you own assumption. There would be no story if nothing happened, and the Vaad would come out wth a statement letting everyone know nothing happened.

Releasing a statement about cameras with no explanation seems to support some of the stories going around.

There has never been transparency at the Vaad. For example, 2 years ago when they changed policy to only allow Postive or frozen pre-checked broccoli, they never let out the real reason . But those in the know found out.

I'm done with this. Everyone will have to dog around and find out for themselves what happened. But just remember l, there have been quite a few confirmed stories, which never get out. There is zero transparency. Period.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1736 on: April 24, 2018, 04:51:21 PM »
It wasnít served so it doesnít matter that the chameitz wasnít locked away (although it is preferable to have it put in a specified spot)
It still matters, since it's very easy for misakes to happen, especially if there are non-jewish workers that are used to year-round standards

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1737 on: April 24, 2018, 10:19:29 PM »
You are on the defense with absolutely no knowledge of what happened. If your "source" is telling you nothing happened, you should reveal your source and the Vaad woulf be vindicated l. You have nothing to hide.

Did your source tell you nothing was served, or almost served? Or is that you own assumption. There would be no story if nothing happened, and the Vaad would come out wth a statement letting everyone know nothing happened.

Releasing a statement about cameras with no explanation seems to support some of the stories going around.

There has never been transparency at the Vaad. For example, 2 years ago when they changed policy to only allow Postive or frozen pre-checked broccoli, they never let out the real reason . But those in the know found out.

I'm done with this. Everyone will have to dog around and find out for themselves what happened. But just remember l, there have been quite a few confirmed stories, which never get out. There is zero transparency. Period.

The camera policy was not a response to a restaurant serving chameitz. Forget about my source, before criticizing the vaad you have to bring evidence to the table or no one will take you seriously and you are potentially being motzi laaz about big rabbanim. So if you have actual proof or a legitimate person who knows the exact story (not rumors as you mentioned or ywn article) please share with details as a way to help the rabbim. Additionally, if you have questions for the vaad and things you want to verify please speak to them directly.
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1738 on: April 24, 2018, 10:36:17 PM »
The camera policy was not a response to a restaurant serving chameitz. Forget about my source, before criticizing the vaad you have to bring evidence to the table or no one will take you seriously and you are potentially being motzi laaz about big rabbanim. So if you have actual proof or a legitimate person who knows the exact story (not rumors as you mentioned or ywn article) please share with details as a way to help the rabbim. Additionally, if you have questions for the vaad and things you want to verify please speak to them directly.
Thats it from me

I do have real sources who obviously wouldn't want me to go public with their names. I am not relying on rumors or YWN articles. You obviously don't have a source, because your source would be proud to go public and vindicate the Vaad. I do not believe you did any research at all, and even if you did, it was probably with someone who is not in-the-know. Most Rabbis are not involved or even aware of the day to day kashrus arm of the vaad.

To me it sounds like you work for the Vaad and are trying to cover up for them. Your story makes no sense at all anyways.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #1739 on: April 24, 2018, 10:57:00 PM »
To me it sounds like you work for the Vaad
To me it sounds like you were fired from the vaad.
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