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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread  (Read 341673 times)

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2780 on: July 07, 2020, 02:01:30 PM »
besides for kashrus will this affect the prices as i would hope the new hasgacha is cheaper

naively asking if this will help the consumer?

I would imagine they won't lower prices, but it might help them avoid raising prices in the near future
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2781 on: July 07, 2020, 02:17:46 PM »
Or maybe...

or maybe...

or maybe...

The point is that you are merely speculating about the standards this new hechsher has and should just ask your Rav for yourself as @justaregularguy said above and avoid attacking Rabbonim and the decisions they make. Standards of how we speak about and treat others must also be maintained at a high level ;)

I did ask. And I do know. I know very well.

I happen to think competition is a good thing. I wish a HIGHER standard hashgocho would come to town and pressure the Vaad to improve. I also do not like the Vaad mafia tactics. But these guys are amateurs and do not understand the complicated field of kashrus.

This hashgocho is a step down. Not speculation,  bit because I know. What a shame!

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2782 on: July 07, 2020, 02:20:11 PM »
IMPORTANT NOTICE FROM COMMUNITY RABBONIM

BS"D

14 Tammuz, 5780 / July 6, 2020


Dear Members of the Five Towns and Far Rockaway Community,

Due to recent events that may have a serious, adverse impact on the unity and kashrus in our community, we feel it is important to reach out and communicate our position to the entire community. We daven that our words will be understood in the manner in which they are intended, to enhance a sense of shalom and achdus within our broad and diverse community.

The Vaad Hakashrus of the Five Towns and Far Rockaway is an organization that is run by community Rabbonim and lay leaders, both of which reflect a broad cross-section of the community. With Siyata Dishmaya, and with tremendous efforts over several decades, our Vaad Hakashrus is known throughout the kashrus industry as one of the most reliable and professional vaadim in the entire world. Some of the features that make our Vaad special are:

1.   Neither the Rabbonim on the rotating Executive Rabbinic Board, nor the lay leaders, take a single penny for their hours of service to ensure the kashrus standards of our community are kept at a very high level.

2.   Our carefully selected professional staff comes with decades of experience and a sterling reputation throughout the world of kashrus.

3.   Our professional staff is salaried and therefore stands nothing to gain or lose based on the number of stores certified, ensuring absolute integrity.

4.   None of our Rabbonim would ever be involved in a kashrus decision of a restaurant that is owned by a relative, or even a mispallel of their Shul. If a matter of concern arises regarding a store owner, that person's Rabbi - if he is a member of the Rabbinic board - recuses himself from any vote that affects his own mispallel.

We want to alert you to a new hashgacha recently formed by two Rabbonim in our community known as Mehadrin of the Five Towns. We have no ill feeling toward the Rabbonim who provide the hashgacha, but we must categorically and absolutely recommend to all of the members of our community that they avoid eating at the restaurants under that hashgocha – specifically FiveFifty Restaurant and Shoppe, Chimichurri Charcoal Chicken, and Keneret Fresh Market. Please be advised that one of the establishments is owned by the Rav Hamachshir’s brother-in-law, a conflict of interest on its very face. In fact, each and every one of the establishments under this new hashgocha are owned by mispallelim of the Shul of the Rav Hamachshir, which under our Vaad’s standards is in itself a cause for invalidation. This is not in line with the high levels of integrity and impartiality that is at the foundation of our community Vaad. 

In addition, we have labored diligently to maintain a unified Vaad Hakashrus for a broad and diverse community. Rabbonim and lay leaders across the spectrum have worked together for decades with a sense of mutual respect and a pure desire to make kosher food readily accessible to the members of our community. We have built in our community an efficient and harmonious Vaad Hakashrus and a wonderful platform of achdus, something that many Rabbonim in other communities yearn to emulate. Indeed, we have dedicated much time and effort to try working together with the Rabbonim involved in the new hashgacha, only to be told that they had no desire to collaborate with our unified Vaad.

In the interest of maintaining the high standards of impartiality established by our Vaad, we strongly recommend that one not patronize any establishment under the Mehadrin of the Five Towns hashgacha.

With heartfelt prayers that our sincere efforts to enhance kashrus and religious life in our community are succes

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2783 on: July 07, 2020, 03:47:52 PM »
IMPORTANT NOTICE FROM COMMUNITY RABBONIM
where are the signatures? from your past posts, i assume whenever there is a notice from the community rabbonim, all of them actually disagree and hold the opposite :)
but seriously, isnt the head of the vaad R Eisen, who (though he may have great knowledge) is not a community rabbi?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2784 on: July 07, 2020, 03:50:55 PM »
As per my rabbi the letter is fake.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2785 on: July 07, 2020, 03:51:21 PM »
I am on the email list of many, many shuls and I haven't seen this letter anywhere
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2786 on: July 07, 2020, 03:52:09 PM »
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2787 on: July 07, 2020, 04:08:18 PM »

Just out of curiosity. He keeps referencing our community. Does he live in the 5 towns?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2788 on: July 07, 2020, 04:14:45 PM »
Just out of curiosity. He keeps referencing our community. Does he live in the 5 towns?
he probably pasted miriam munk's response.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2789 on: July 07, 2020, 04:16:33 PM »
@sammyp where did u get that message? Why/who would post such a terrible fake message? seems it would be either competing restaurants (unlikely) or crazy people who are machmirim to such an extent that they are machmir to fulfill the elements of motzei shem rah bemehadrin?

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2790 on: July 07, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »
@sammyp where did u get that message? Why/who would post such a terrible fake message? seems it would be either competing restaurants (unlikely) or crazy people who are machmirim to such an extent that they are machmir to fulfill the elements of motzei shem rah bemehadrin?


or it's a draft of a letter that will be sent out but isn't finalized yet
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2791 on: July 07, 2020, 04:19:31 PM »
@sammyp where did u get that message? Why/who would post such a terrible fake message? seems it would be either competing restaurants (unlikely) or crazy people who are machmirim to such an extent that they are machmir to fulfill the elements of motzei shem rah bemehadrin?
Probably in some watsapp group. I received the same. However, it seemed fake, as there was no signature and not on baad letterhead, so I didn’t bother posting.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2792 on: July 07, 2020, 04:48:31 PM »
They also caused a lot of problems for GG a while back when they sold non kosher chicken
FTFY

There's a lot of history regarding FR/5T Kashrus that people need to know and understand before taking a side here.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2793 on: July 07, 2020, 04:49:26 PM »

can't compare. many smaller communities have a local vaad. in fact, the OU won't give a hechsher if there is a local vaad. you can argue that maybe we've outgrown it
Indeed. Like the OK ice cream shop on West Broadway.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2794 on: July 07, 2020, 04:50:31 PM »
but seriously, isnt the head of the vaad R Eisen, who (though he may have great knowledge) is not a community rabbi?
Rabbi Eisen lives in Flatbush. He is a hired administrator of the FR/5T Va'ad Hakashrus.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2795 on: July 07, 2020, 04:50:53 PM »
Indeed. Like the OK ice cream shop on West Broadway.


which?
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2796 on: July 07, 2020, 04:51:04 PM »
Just out of curiosity. He keeps referencing our community. Does he live in the 5 towns?
No, he lives in Marine Park, Brooklyn.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2797 on: July 07, 2020, 04:51:59 PM »

which?
This goes back about 5 years. It was a chain under the OK and they would not certify without the Va'ad being on there first.

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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2798 on: July 07, 2020, 04:53:33 PM »
This goes back about 5 years. It was a chain under the OK and they would not certify without the Va'ad being on there first.


interesting. there must be advantages to  a local vaad if ou and ok won't go against it.
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Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #2799 on: July 07, 2020, 05:28:22 PM »
If this thread ever splits into a 5 Towns Thread and a Rockaway Thread we'll know we are in trouble.  ;)

Great Neck doesn't have a Vaad. I think to quote an above post, it may be time to rethink the value of the Vaad entirely.