FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested

[hocker]

Why would he learn from Rabbi E if 90% of people involved never liked him? He had a reputation from before.

I can't talk for him, but someone who's doing shimush isn't always 'learning' what to apply the exact methods. Many times they'll go to get a feel of how things go down in the industry. Regardless, there's much more to every get than the way it was obtained to learn from.

[Yitz]

I can't talk for him, but someone who's doing shimush isn't always 'learning' what to apply the exact methods. Many times they'll go to get a feel of how things go down in the industry. Regardless, there's much more to every get than the way it was obtained to learn from.

Everyone knows he has a bad reputation. It just does not make sense to learn from him.

[Baruch]

If the lawyers can prove that this was done 100% for the sake of the women, and the judge wants to be lenient. How lenient can the judge be? Is there a minimum sentence for kidnapping?

[Menachem613]

If the lawyers can prove that this was done 100% for the sake of the women, and the judge wants to be lenient. How lenient can the judge be? Is there a minimum sentence for kidnapping?

There's not much discretion under the federal sentencing guidelines.

[hocker]

Everyone knows he has a bad reputation. It just does not make sense to learn from him.

You have a reading comprehension issue?

[whYME]

If the lawyers can prove that this was done 100% for the sake of the women, and the judge wants to be lenient. How lenient can the judge be? Is there a minimum sentence for kidnapping?

The prosecuter has a lot of discretion in what charges to bring.
What they're working for here is to get a good plea deal, I don't think anybody wants this to go to trial.

[real-brisker]

The prosecuter has a lot of discretion in what charges to bring.
What they're working for here is to get a good plea deal, I don't think anybody wants this to go to trial.

Source?

[Mutty]

The prosecuter has a lot of discretion in what charges to bring.
What they're working for here is to get a good plea deal, I don't think anybody wants this to go to trial.

Why do you think they don't want it to go to trial? It's a great media event.

[hocker]

Why do you think they don't want it to go to trial? It's a great media event.

If no other parties come forward then it's hard to believe this will go to trial.

[aygart]

Why do you think they don't want it to go to trial? It's a great media event.

This is not a slam dunk with a jury.

[CountValentine]

This is not a slam dunk with a jury.

I will take all bets if this goes to trial.

[aygart]

This is a great case to play on the sympathies of a jury. The account of money involved will pale in comparison to the lawyers of a real messy divorce. With a good lawyer....

[CountValentine]

This is a great case to play on the sympathies of a jury. The account of money involved will pale in comparison to the lawyers of a real messy divorce. With a good lawyer....

IMHO a jury will not care if it was 5k or 500k. We are talking about kidnapping and torture. I am not passing judgment on the individuals just how a jury will look at it.

[sky121]

IMHO a jury will not care if it was 5k or 500k. We are talking about kidnapping and torture. I am not passing judgment on the individuals just how a jury will look at it.

I agree. The money would have made a difference beforehand in terms of whether they would even investigate but now that the charges are already brought I don't think the amount of money makes too much of a difference.

[aygart]

IMHO a jury will not care if it was 5k or 500k. We are talking about kidnapping and torture. I am not passing judgment on the individuals just how a jury will look at it.

Considering that there was no lasting damage to the victims, a good lawyer can make them into heroes standing up for abused women. All would depend upon the makeup of the jury. Not a sure conviction by any means.

[twentie4hrs]

Whats is the Rabbis defense?

Entrapment?....although, they would argue predisposition, so no entrapment?

[Super Speed]

Whats is the Rabbis defense?

Entrapment?....although, they would argue predisposition, so no entrapment?

Leave it to Brafman!

[Hirshthg]

With the tapes and FBI eye witness testimony the trial would be a slaughter. The real question is can they make it through the process of justice to make it to the trial with the rock star lawyers who make murders into kind small children. I don't think this thing will make it to trial.

[Menachem613]

My bet is they plead guilty and will sit a few years.   Remember, a skilled lawyer can influence a jury and perhaps the prosecutor too. The judge, however, has a mind of his own and can impose a sentence greater than what was sought by the prosecutor.

[HP58]

My bet is they plead guilty and will sit a few years.   Remember, a skilled lawyer can influence a jury and perhaps the prosecutor too. The judge, however, has a mind of his own and can impose a sentence greater than what was sought by the prosecutor.

Assuming the jury convicts them.