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Your post is nauseating.
Sorry.
While you may not agree (and it may be halachikally incorrect-for a posek to decide) do you not understand his point of view?
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While you may not agree (and it may be halachikally incorrect-for a posek to decide) do you not understand his point of view?
Assuming he is correct, he is entitled to give money to whom he wishes.
But even so, there are certain things we may think to ourself, but we don't go on an open forum and say it publicly.


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It sounds like he just wants to make sure the money is going to someone that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not to the others perhaps or towards the expenses of the whole trial for EVERYONE.
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The money is going solely to the legal defense of a young DDF'er who has young kids.
ME isn't young. Nor is likely to be a DDF'er ;)
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Your post is nauseating.
Sorry.
Your post is narrow-minded and arrogant.

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It sounds like he just wants to make sure the money is going to someone that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not to the others perhaps or towards the expenses of the whole trial for EVERYONE.
He is entitled.
But to say "I am not interested in giving money to M.E." Is just nauseating.
If you don't wanna give, don't.
But don't go any say M.E. doesen't deserve any donations.


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Your post is narrow-minded and arrogant.
Thank you.
There is a certain sensitivity people should have for these people stuck in this situation.


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He is entitled.
But to say "I am not interested in giving money to M.E." Is just nauseating.
If you don't wanna give, don't.
But don't go any say M.E. doesen't deserve any donations.
It's quite possible according to halacha you would do more good donating to a fund intended to lock him up.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Thank you.
There is a certain sensitivity people should have for these people stuck in this situation.
Why someone would want to discriminate between M.E. and this young DDFer, and only give money to help one and not the other, should be blatantly obvious. If it is not to you, then its clear that you know less about M.E. than some others, which is fine. But why call someone's post "nauseating"? He makes it clear in his post that he wants to give money and just needs to feel more comfortable that this DDFer was not part of the scheme. So you go ahead and arrogantly insult him. And how do you think that might  make him feel about his desire to give money now? Remember, the goal here is to raise as much money as possible for this DDFer. Don't get in the way!

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It's quite possible according to halacha you would do more good donating to a fund intended to lock him up.
Well said.

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Mods,

Please move all posts related to the actual story to the appropriate thread.

Here we only discuss the donations and surroundings.
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Why someone would want to discriminate between M.E. and this young DDFer, and only give money to help one and not the other, should be blatantly obvious. If it is not to you, then its clear that you know less about M.E. than some others, which is fine. But why call someone's post "nauseating"? He makes it clear in his post that he wants to give money and just needs to feel more comfortable that this DDFer was not part of the scheme. So you go ahead and arrogantly insult him. And how do you think that might  make him feel about his desire to give money now? Remember, the goal here is to raise as much money as possible for this DDFer. Don't get in the way!

This is my last post on the matter.

He can give who he wishes.

But to take a side, say someone is wrong, knock the person and say he isn't deserves of money, is all not necessary.

There are way more classier ways he could have figured it out.



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He is entitled.
But to say "I am not interested in giving money to M.E." Is just nauseating.
If you don't wanna give, don't.
But don't go any say M.E. doesen't deserve any donations.
I somewhat agree.

No one is forcing anyone to give, if you don't want to give to M.E. then don't, but making such a statement publicly is a little uncalled for.

Regardless this collection is not for M.E. so lets just leave this talk out, and have the donations keep on coming in

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #533 on: October 23, 2013, 03:41:38 PM »
This is my last post on the matter.

He can give who he wishes.

But to take a side, say someone is wrong, knock the person and say he isn't deserves of money, is all not necessary.

There are way more classier ways he could have figured it out.

If he said all that, I would agree that he's wrong.
But he never said M.E. is wrong, never took a side, and he never said that he's not deserving of money. All he said is that he's not interested in giving M.E. money, which makes sense if you aren't 100% sure of his innocence in the story.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #534 on: October 23, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »
he never said M.E. is wrong, never took a side, and he never said that he's not deserving of money. All he said is that he's not interested in giving M.E. money, which makes sense if you aren't 100% sure of his innocence in the story.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #535 on: October 23, 2013, 03:51:54 PM »

If he said all that, I would agree that he's wrong.
But he never said M.E. is wrong, never took a side, and he never said that he's not deserving of money. All he said is that he's not interested in giving M.E. money, which makes sense if you aren't 100% sure of his innocence in the story.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #536 on: October 23, 2013, 04:04:50 PM »
Its a real shame that this thread has come to this, thanks mods for moving it.

If he said all that, I would agree that he's wrong.
All he said is that he's not interested in giving M.E. money, which makes sense if you aren't 100% sure of his innocence in the story.

Without getting in to the intricacies of this specific case (if you believe everything someone says after they were arrested...), I believe that many if not most Poskim are of the opinion that Pidyon Shvuyim does not hinge on the person being innocent (especially when עפ"ד is different...).
I would contribute to assist in the defense regardless.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #537 on: October 23, 2013, 04:05:56 PM »
Its a real shame that this thread has come to this, thanks mods for moving it.

Without getting in to the intricacies of this specific case (if you believe everything someone says after they were arrested...), I believe that many if not most Poskim are of the opinion that Pidyon Shvuyim does not hinge on the person being innocent (especially when עפ"ד is different...).
I would contribute to assist in the defense regardless.

What about just wanting to give the money to someone who isn't necessarily as well off as the other guy?
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #538 on: October 23, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »
Just because someone expresses an opinion that you don’t agree with that is no reason to attack that person. Everyone has every right to choose who they wish to support. How about we focus our attention on kick starting the donations that seemed to have stalled?
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #539 on: October 23, 2013, 04:09:54 PM »
Its a real shame that this thread has come to this, thanks mods for moving it.

Without getting in to the intricacies of this specific case (if you believe everything someone says after they were arrested...), I believe that many if not most Poskim are of the opinion that Pidyon Shvuyim does not hinge on the person being innocent (especially when עפ"ד is different...).
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Just because someone expresses an opinion that you don’t agree with that is no reason to attack that person. Everyone has every right to choose who they wish to support. How about we focus our attention on kick starting the donations that seemed to have stalled?
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