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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #800 on: January 14, 2015, 09:35:14 PM »
WTH are you talking about?
I'm talking about get meusah
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #801 on: January 14, 2015, 09:38:08 PM »
THAT'S IT HE SHOULD SIT FOREVER FOR ALL THE MAMZERIM HE MADE  >:(
You're shouting as if you are one of his products...

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #802 on: January 14, 2015, 10:10:51 PM »
The Mamzer debate happened a bunch of pages ago! Get over your anger there.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #803 on: January 14, 2015, 10:21:35 PM »
I'm talking about get meusah
Just curious, are you a Rabbi?


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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #804 on: January 14, 2015, 10:40:31 PM »
Just curious, are you a Rabbi?
No but I do know some rabbis including one of the poskei hador who if I told you who it is you would agree however he asked that it not be publicized that he said that some of the gitten epstein procured created mamzerim
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #805 on: January 14, 2015, 10:46:40 PM »
No but I do know some rabbis including one of the poskei hador who if I told you who it is you would agree however he asked that it not be publicized that he said that some of the gitten epstein procured created mamzerim
If he didn't want to put his name behind it I'll take it as if he never said it.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #806 on: January 14, 2015, 10:48:49 PM »
If he didn't want to put his name behind it I'll take it as if he never said it.
He didn't want to get involved however when talmidim asked him he told them but still didn't want to be involved
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #807 on: January 14, 2015, 10:56:15 PM »
So you're telling me he genuinely believes there are real Mamzerim running around yet he's keeping quiet because he doesn't want to get involved?

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #808 on: January 14, 2015, 10:59:30 PM »
No but I do know some rabbis including one of the poskei hador who if I told you who it is you would agree however he asked that it not be publicized that he said that some of the gitten epstein procured created mamzerim
Sounds as valid as a WhatsApp rumor.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #809 on: January 14, 2015, 11:08:17 PM »
Sounds as valid as a WhatsApp rumor.
I'm not going to sit here arguing about the validity of it but it's very far from a whatsapp rumor
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #810 on: January 14, 2015, 11:13:10 PM »
I'm not going to sit here arguing about the validity of it but it's very far from a whatsapp rumor
For those of us here who have no clue who you are and no clue who this Rabbi is, your statement is no more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #811 on: January 14, 2015, 11:15:23 PM »
unwillingness to put ones name to a psak is pretty much by definition a cancellation of his support of the psak, at the very least a refusal to lend his credibility to said psak- the opposite of what you're insinuating. hence the whatsapp analogy

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #812 on: January 14, 2015, 11:16:31 PM »
Whatever the din is or is not,let me quote a gemara with meforshim:
1 shita: mamzerim after 3 generations will be "butl".
2 shita: after 10 generations.
With in that tgere are two shitas
1: butl means they will die out.
2: butl means they will be considered regular ppl, because once something is "listed" in a category in this world it is too in the one above  ( note that all this is talking about that no one knows that they're mamzerim for 3/10 gen.)

Another totally different shita holds that once mashiach comes all ppl with defects will be healed, and says a mamzer Is a person with a defect so they will be "healed".

So im not upset.
Nor do I belive they did something asur (besides for chillul of THE NAME).
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #813 on: January 14, 2015, 11:18:46 PM »
unwillingness to put ones name to a psak is pretty much by definitiona cancellation of the psak, at the very least a refusal to lend his credibility to said psak- the opposite of what you're insinuating. hence the whatsapp analogy
Exactly my point from before. You're trying to gain credibility for your statement by quoting a famous Posek. That is meaningless if said Posek doesn't want to lend his credibility here. For the purpose of our conversation it's just the same as if some Yukel off the street made the statement.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #814 on: January 14, 2015, 11:26:18 PM »
THAT'S IT HE SHOULD SIT FOREVER FOR ALL THE MAMZERIM HE MADE  >:(

???
Why do I get the feeling that recently DDF threads are turning into petty arguments likened to YouTube comments. We are, and should be above that tone of commentary.
You can modify your original post. The modify button is right next to the quote button.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #815 on: January 14, 2015, 11:31:44 PM »
Whatever the din is or is not,let me quote a gemara with meforshim:
1 shita: mamzerim after 3 generations will be "butl".
2 shita: after 10 generations.
With in that tgere are two shitas
1: butl means they will die out.
2: butl means they will be considered regular ppl, because once something is "listed" in a category in this world it is too in the one above  ( note that all this is talking about that no one knows that they're mamzerim for 3/10 gen.)

Another totally different shita holds that once mashiach comes all ppl with defects will be healed, and says a mamzer Is a person with a defect so they will be "healed".

So im not upset.
Nor do I belive they did something asur (besides for chillul of THE NAME).
Did you ever hear of a get meusah
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #816 on: January 14, 2015, 11:49:17 PM »
Did you ever hear of a get meusah
Yes. And its halachicly permisable
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #817 on: January 14, 2015, 11:54:09 PM »
Yes. And its halachicly permisable in some cases
FTFY
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #818 on: January 15, 2015, 12:01:16 AM »
Yes. And its halachicly permisable
If ALL requirements are met and I would venture to say it almost never happens nowadays
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #819 on: January 15, 2015, 12:02:58 AM »
Yes. And its halachicly permisable
no its not. there are few cases that bais din may use force, but in genaral the wording get meuseh is used for a pasul get. instead of arguing and figuring out which posek said what and if its a rumor, learn the gemara and rishonim and you will find out why almost all reliable poskim would say that the children are mamzairim, the only problem is that its impossible to know what/where/when/why/how the men were coerced so many poskim would be hesitant to anounce their psak but their gut feeling is to believe parts of the mens side of the story making it a get pasul