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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #960 on: September 08, 2016, 07:18:26 AM »
At least in this case there was an actual husband involved as opposed to just money
That really doesn't help.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #961 on: November 09, 2019, 09:07:11 PM »

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #962 on: November 10, 2019, 03:05:59 PM »
https://gen.medium.com/undercover-in-the-orthodox-underworld-83c61ba3aa83

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My favorite line:
Back then, Mendel, who is 6 feet, 3 inches tall and burly, traveled frequently to Café Baba, a kosher belly-dancing club in Queens that used to be a popular destination for Israeli ex-pats who left their families and refused to give their wives a get.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #964 on: November 10, 2019, 03:38:11 PM »
I read about halfway through. Anything knew that it’s being written now ?

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #965 on: November 10, 2019, 03:45:35 PM »
https://gen.medium.com/undercover-in-the-orthodox-underworld-83c61ba3aa83

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Writing paragraphs like this
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The city where innocence is righteousness — where The Word is pored over while life’s complexities go unconsidered. The city of well-curled sidelocks and Saturday stew and girls for whom all promise comes down to a stiff wedding dress and the giving of an unperforated hymen to a young man so pure he will refrain from touching her for at least 12 days following the onset of menstruation, will never let his hand go below his own waist, and will spend a full night in Torah study, dusk till dawn, to atone for a wet dream.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #966 on: November 12, 2019, 11:34:11 AM »
It's a good read. Takeaway is, we need halachik pre-nup

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #967 on: November 12, 2019, 11:49:25 AM »
It's a good read. Takeaway is, we need halachik pre-nup
Takeaway is Mendel Epstein didn't follow halacha. He was ready to beat the guy without ever speaking to him or verifying all the information.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #968 on: November 12, 2019, 01:56:51 PM »
Takeaway is Mendel Epstein didn't follow halacha. He was ready to beat the guy without ever speaking to him or verifying all the information.
Clearly the guy didn't actually care about halacha, he felt bad for these women which is admirable but that doesn't mean he really cared about the halacha above his own moral compass.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #969 on: November 12, 2019, 02:11:53 PM »
Clearly the guy didn't actually care about halacha, he felt bad for these women which is admirable but that doesn't mean he really cared about the halacha above his own pocket.
FTFY
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #970 on: November 12, 2019, 02:16:00 PM »
FTFY
It wasn’t always about his pocket. That came later on

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #971 on: November 12, 2019, 02:17:13 PM »
It wasn’t always about his pocket. That came later on
I understand, but that was where the problems started. Another who started off doing good and ended doing well.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #972 on: November 12, 2019, 02:26:17 PM »
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #973 on: November 12, 2019, 02:31:25 PM »
FTFY
But that's exactly my point, the fact that it evolved into his own pocket means that, originally, it came from a place of compassion (which as I said, is admirable) and not from caring that halacha be carried out kidas ukidin.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #974 on: November 12, 2019, 02:46:16 PM »
But that's exactly my point, the fact that it evolved into his own pocket means that, originally, it came from a place of compassion (which as I said, is admirable) and not from caring that halacha be carried out kidas ukidin.
How is lining pockets more likely to evolve from compassion than from halacha?
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #975 on: November 12, 2019, 02:48:09 PM »
How is lining pockets more likely to evolve from compassion than from halacha?
Because halacha would never have allowed him to do the things he did regardless of whether he was getting paid or not.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #976 on: November 12, 2019, 03:13:27 PM »
So coming from compassion allowed him to later bury that compassion by sometimes taking the husband's side if he paid more (if the allegation is true)?

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #977 on: November 12, 2019, 03:59:46 PM »
So coming from compassion allowed him to later bury that compassion by sometimes taking the husband's side if he paid more (if the allegation is true)?
The opposite terminology being "Mitoch Shelo Lishmah, Ba Lishmah"

Why not? He started with caring, then realized its a money making business (and transition supposedly happened at a time that he was otherwise "down" and little Yetzer Hara got involved to "make life easier for his "poor" family").

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #978 on: November 12, 2019, 04:01:29 PM »
The opposite terminology being "Mitoch Shelo Lishmah, Ba Lishmah"

Why not? He started with caring, then realized its a money making business (and transition supposedly happened at a time that he was otherwise "down" and little Yetzer Hara got involved to "make life easier for his "poor" family").
The same could be if the discussion is halacha.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #979 on: November 13, 2019, 08:18:25 AM »
The real question is, how many mamzerim are running around because of this
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