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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #660 on: March 11, 2014, 11:40:48 PM »
What's the point of making a plea so fast? It doesn't say that they got a good deal and it doesn't say they are going to testify against Epstein.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #661 on: March 11, 2014, 11:42:49 PM »
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #662 on: March 12, 2014, 12:01:13 AM »
not a justification just normal human nature and evan possibly  halachicly ok. if your choice is rat out or sit in jail, you are right many would sit, but if your choice is get ratted out on or rat the person thats about to do it to you, i dont think you would withstand

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #663 on: March 12, 2014, 07:33:25 AM »
thats when there are top guys but in this case there are no top guys no big masterminds running anything
There is always a top guy/s in their minds.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #664 on: March 13, 2014, 02:27:13 AM »
On the pleading guilty "so fast". It's very disheartening to sit and listen to yourself and watch yourself from 10 different angles doing what they say you were doing and and continue to deny. There is a point when you just say I give up.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #665 on: March 13, 2014, 10:38:27 AM »
On the pleading guilty "so fast". It's very disheartening to sit and listen to yourself and watch yourself from 10 different angles doing what they say you were doing and and continue to deny. There is a point when you just say I give up.

Or there is a point where your attorneys tell you that they have you red-handed with no expectation of a legitimate defense. 

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #666 on: March 13, 2014, 11:58:58 PM »
Or there is a point where your attorneys tell you that they have you red-handed with no expectation of a legitimate defense.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #667 on: March 14, 2014, 12:04:43 AM »
Or there is a point where your attorneys tell you that they have you red-handed with no expectation of a legitimate defense.
Don't think there's such a thing in America's legal system if you can afford lawyers
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #668 on: March 14, 2014, 12:54:48 AM »
There is always a top guy/s in their minds.
not here.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #669 on: March 14, 2014, 12:56:52 AM »
not here.
um, are you following the same story that I am?

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #670 on: March 14, 2014, 01:08:24 AM »
um, are you following the same story that I am?
yup. why dont you offer some insight and tell who is the brilliant mastermind behind this criminal gang

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #671 on: March 14, 2014, 01:21:12 AM »
yup. why dont you offer some insight and tell who is the brilliant mastermind behind this criminal gang
I thought we're talking about the "top guys" that they're after, I wouldn't say there's a "brilliant mastermind" running a "criminal gang."

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #672 on: March 14, 2014, 01:22:30 AM »
Or there is a point where your attorneys tell you that they have you red-handed with no expectation of a legitimate defense.

No lawyer would ever say that for a few reasons. The first is that the prosecution still needs to follow "due process" which takes forever just to get to the original conviction. After which the prosecution gets to spend the rest of their lives responding to the appeals. Who pays for the legal defense service and the prosecution? The State. The sum total is that you can trade in a guilty plea for a lighter sentence.

From a strategic stand point one would never plead guilty, however like I mention above, after watching every video they have of you (and with the FBI in on the operation from the front and with agents on the inside we can guess that the amount of footage that they actually have is days worth) most people freak out. The defendant tells the attorney "it's easy for you to walk out there and give some B&$# S%$# reason why I am technically innocent, however I am going to look like a total freak standing on TV watching the full length of footage together with the entire world and still claiming my innocence. That my friends is not an easy task.

At that point in time a defendant also just hopes that the judge will be lenient because he rolled over.

I am not going to go into the rest of the reasons that no lawyer would ever say that, because it would bore both you and me to death.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #673 on: March 14, 2014, 07:13:24 AM »
I am not going to go into the rest of the reasons that no lawyer would ever say that, because it would bore both you and me to death.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #674 on: March 14, 2014, 10:41:17 AM »
Don't think there's such a thing in America's legal system if you can afford lawyers

I've seen the most high-powered defense attorneys recommend plea deals.

No lawyer would ever say that for a few reasons. The first is that the prosecution still needs to follow "due process" which takes forever just to get to the original conviction. After which the prosecution gets to spend the rest of their lives responding to the appeals. Who pays for the legal defense service and the prosecution? The State. The sum total is that you can trade in a guilty plea for a lighter sentence.

From a strategic stand point one would never plead guilty, however like I mention above, after watching every video they have of you (and with the FBI in on the operation from the front and with agents on the inside we can guess that the amount of footage that they actually have is days worth) most people freak out. The defendant tells the attorney "it's easy for you to walk out there and give some B&$# S%$# reason why I am technically innocent, however I am going to look like a total freak standing on TV watching the full length of footage together with the entire world and still claiming my innocence. That my friends is not an easy task.

At that point in time a defendant also just hopes that the judge will be lenient because he rolled over.

I am not going to go into the rest of the reasons that no lawyer would ever say that, because it would bore both you and me to death.

I'm not going to respond point-by-point, but it seems you're completely clueless as to the inner workings of the criminal justice system.  The only reason any ever pleads guilty is a strategic play.  You can make the prosecutors go through the motions, but your a lot less likely to get a better deal at the end, or get a better sentence.  Especially in a case like this.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #675 on: March 14, 2014, 11:01:12 AM »
I've seen the most high-powered defense attorneys recommend plea deals.

I never said a plea bargain isn't a good idea, I just said there's no such things as hopeless defense.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #676 on: March 14, 2014, 11:03:31 AM »
I never said a plea bargain isn't a good idea, I just said there's no such things as hopeless defense.

I've seen pretty darn close.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #677 on: March 14, 2014, 04:20:20 PM »


I'm not going to respond point-by-point, but it seems you're completely clueless as to the inner workings of the criminal justice system.  The only reason any ever pleads guilty is a strategic play.  You can make the prosecutors go through the motions, but your a lot less likely to get a better deal at the end, or get a better sentence.  Especially in a case like this.
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #678 on: March 14, 2014, 05:02:56 PM »
I thought we're talking about the "top guys" that they're after, I wouldn't say there's a "brilliant mastermind" running a "criminal gang."
exactly my point. the reason why they go after the top guys is bc they are the masterminds running the operation and if you cut the head off the tail dies. but here that isnt the case if there are no masterminds there are no top guys to chase

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #679 on: March 17, 2014, 08:23:25 PM »
I've seen the most high-powered defense attorneys recommend plea deals.

I'm not going to respond point-by-point, but it seems you're completely clueless as to the inner workings of the criminal justice system.  The only reason any ever pleads guilty is a strategic play.  You can make the prosecutors go through the motions, but your a lot less likely to get a better deal at the end, or get a better sentence.  Especially in a case like this.

So the reason they just plead guilty without a deal is?
I am not sure you actually read my post.