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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1160 on: February 03, 2015, 11:44:24 AM »
The YQ on OZ F ICN-JFK is $15:



And on a RT, ICN-JFK-ICN, it's $30:



And the YQ on OZ F JFK-ICN is $140:



And on a RT, JFK-ICN-JFK it's $280:



So it seems like OZ charges nominal YQ when departing ICN (OW or RT), and significant YQ ex-USA (OW or RT).

That being the case, am I to assume the reason that the highlighted charge in the below itinerary is assessed is because it's a RT ex-USA, even though the outbound is NOT on OZ metal?



If so, the lesson here is if you're booking OZ F with miles where you incur YQ, make sure to book them as OW and NOT a RT.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1161 on: February 03, 2015, 12:06:08 PM »
Well, this is an underwhelming development:

KE's new J and F:

<snip>

Yeah, they both look like J to me, too.

But, hey, at least they offer an F class to more destinations than other Asian carriers like OZ, NH, CX, etc.

I'm pretty sure it's just that somebody screwed up the graphics - it's the exact same product, from different angles, with minor cosmetic differences. Some poor web designer is gonna get fired for this, that's all. :P

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1162 on: February 03, 2015, 01:53:27 PM »
That's my thought as well.

I just booked.



Red in AC Y
Yellow in AC + CA J
Green in OZ F

70K + 450.

The aeroplan glitch.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Now changed to:

(NYC-)SEA-NRT in NH F on 777
ICN-JFK in OZ F on A380

Deleted a stop (sorry Ergel!), upgraded to F, no additional miles, no change fee (that was charged anyway) and a reduction/refund of $160 in YQ.

Total cost now 70K + $370.  Official cost = 210K.

At 35K+$185 each way in F on a premier Asian carrier, this might take my redemption cake.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1163 on: February 03, 2015, 04:35:46 PM »
More than your South Africa trip that was almost completely refunded?

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1164 on: February 03, 2015, 04:37:11 PM »
More than your South Africa trip that was almost completely refunded?

And I don't forgive you

I don't know what you're talking about, but if I did, I guess that would have to be better than this :)

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1165 on: February 03, 2015, 05:18:58 PM »
I don't know what you're talking about, but if I did, I guess that would have to be better than this :)
I also remember something about them never deducting the miles. Am I tired?

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1166 on: February 03, 2015, 05:23:07 PM »
Fine, fine. Yeah, that one would win, as that was 4 segments on LH F and a free one-way on UA to SAN for 50K per person, or 12.5K per leg and $0 taxes and fees.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1167 on: February 03, 2015, 05:25:30 PM »
Hard to beat F for 0 via the various BA glitches.
But not bad ;)
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1168 on: February 03, 2015, 05:27:21 PM »
Hard to beat F for 0 via the various BA glitches.
But not bad ;)

Yes. That is probably my #1, too. And I guess I should probably include it because the other 2 are/were also glitches.

1) BA on CX with $0 in taxes and fees.
2) UA on LH F for 50K RT with $0 in taxes and fees.
3) AP on NH F and OZ F for 70K RT.
4) ?? on LH F x2 for 35K RT and no YQ.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1169 on: February 04, 2015, 11:54:33 AM »
The YQ on OZ F ICN-JFK is $15:

<snip>

And on a RT, ICN-JFK-ICN, it's $30:

<snip>

And the YQ on OZ F JFK-ICN is $140:

<snip>

And on a RT, JFK-ICN-JFK it's $280:

<snip>

So it seems like OZ charges nominal YQ when departing ICN (OW or RT), and significant YQ ex-USA (OW or RT).

That being the case, am I to assume the reason that the highlighted charge in the below itinerary is assessed is because it's a RT ex-USA, even though the outbound is NOT on OZ metal?

<snip>

If so, the lesson here is if you're booking OZ F with miles where you incur YQ, make sure to book them as OW and NOT a RT.

First, I'd like to point out the varying fare codes Matrix is using in your screenshots: ex-ICN is FOW (First, one-way) and FRT (First, round-trip), while ex-NYC is AXSUITE, except for when you have an Air China outbound, then the OZ return is F1. I'm not gonna go into the technical ramifications of that right now, because it will get too confusing... but just something to keep in mind.

Now, as for the YQ mystery, the answer lies in the fare rules. The ones Matrix links to are a bit abridged, so here's an excerpt of the full version from Sabre (Category 12: Surcharges):

  ...AND - ORIGINATING KOREA REP OF/SOUTH -                     
       FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 01FEB15                           
         MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 15.00 WILL       
         BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY               
         PASSENGER.                                           


blah blah blah...

     AND - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES -                         
       MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 170.00 PER         
       FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE           
       FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.                                 


Aha! There's the discrepancy! But why $140, and not $170? Beats me. One possible clue lies here, a little further in the fare rules:

          THE SURCHARGE MUST BE COLLECTED AT TIME OF TICKET     
          ISSUANCE AND WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE FARE         
          CALCULATION AS A -Q- SURCHARGE BY CONVERTING         
          THE SURCHARGE INTO NUC USING THE APPLICABLE           
          IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE /IROE/.                         


NUC stands for "Neutral Unit of Construction". It's a fictitious unit of currency, equivalent to USD, used by airlines and governments for calculating prices of airline tickets across currencies. I'm not gonna go into details now, except to say that this "imaginary currency" can screw things up (remember a couple of weeks ago how tickets were cheaper on Russian sites due to "currency discrepancies"?) So, it's entirely possible that in the process of changing between USD, NUC, and KRW (Korean Won), $30 is lost due to exchange rate discrepancies. Maybe... if anyone has a better theory, I'd like to hear it.

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1170 on: February 09, 2015, 03:44:49 PM »
CX slowly removing F from ORD<>HKG routes. Going from 3/3 flights to 1/3 flights by mid 2015.

And it continues:

CX is downgrading CX 884/885 from LAX<>HKG to a 3-class plane on Mon, Tues, and Weds.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1171 on: February 09, 2015, 03:46:15 PM »
And it continues:

CX is downgrading CX 884/885 from LAX<>HKG to a 3-class plane on Mon, Tues, and Weds.
You mean 2-class plane?

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1172 on: February 09, 2015, 03:46:51 PM »
You mean 2-class plane?

I do not.

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1173 on: February 09, 2015, 03:46:59 PM »
You mean 2-class plane?
Premium Economy.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1174 on: February 09, 2015, 03:49:27 PM »
Ah. Okay, so they're getting rid of premium economy, what's the big deal?

Jokes...  ::)

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1175 on: February 09, 2015, 03:50:49 PM »
Ah. Okay, so they're getting rid of premium economy, what's the big deal?

Jokes...  ::)
CX slowly removing F from ORD<>HKG routes. Going from 3/3 flights to 1/3 flights by mid 2015.

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1176 on: February 09, 2015, 03:52:53 PM »
Should have clarified. It was a bad joke.

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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1177 on: February 12, 2015, 09:05:19 PM »
Anyone know if it's possible to tell if a particular UA flight with have WiFi more than 24 hours in advance?
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1178 on: February 12, 2015, 09:07:00 PM »
Anyone know if it's possible to tell if a particular UA flight with have WiFi more than 24 hours in advance?
I think its 48 hours before the flight when you can check it up on the site.
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Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
« Reply #1179 on: February 12, 2015, 09:08:21 PM »
Edit the mobile site url.
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