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Re: another get story..
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2013, 04:39:25 AM »
Oh, its always ugly, and people are suffering, however you can't keep someone as a hostage.
agreed

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2013, 06:58:19 AM »
Why did hashem make it that only the guy can give a get if he has to divorce her the second she asks anyways?

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2013, 07:01:58 AM »
Why did hashem make it that only the guy can give a get if he has to divorce her the second she asks anyways?

no one is talking seconds, minutes, hours or even days, and maybe weeks.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2013, 07:36:30 AM »
Only civil courts and messira are allowed to be bargaining chiPS?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2013, 07:45:45 AM »
Is the reason a get was not yet given because:

1. He is mean
2. To extort money
3. It is the only way to prevent her from extorting money
4. To gain full custody
5. To have a level of custody
6. To have visitation rights
7. It is the only way he will ever see his child again
8. To go to a bais din sympathetic to him
9. Not to go to one sympathetic to her
10. He will gladly give it but she is refusing to come to an unbiased bais din
11. To prevent her from going to court
12. To get onerous restraining orders lifted
13. So that he will not be arbitrarily jailed
Etc.

It is not always so simple.
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2013, 07:48:20 AM »
From what it seems the Rabanim are related to the family.
On both sides.

Either way, they likely know more about the case AND related halacha than anyone here.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2013, 07:51:59 AM »
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2013, 08:12:16 AM »
All I can say, this guys is lucky he is not married to my daughter.
Wold you use a cattle prod?  :P

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2013, 08:16:06 AM »
All I can say, this guys is lucky he is not married to my daughter.
there are two sides to the story BTW...

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2013, 08:23:11 AM »
All I can say, this guys is lucky he is not married to my daughter.
Your daughter don't need no get

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2013, 09:21:49 AM »
Your daughter don't need no get
The get is just a symptom.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2013, 09:23:36 AM »
Wold you use a cattle prod?  :P
I am not the one he would have to worry about.  ;)
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2013, 09:31:24 AM »
I am not the one he would have to worry about.  ;)
lol

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2013, 11:50:24 AM »
NO!!! A GET IS NEVER A BARGAINING CHIP! WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!
That can't be a hard and fast rule.  If a she uses visitation as a bargaining chip why can't he use the get?

Remember this guy?

I'm not a regular contributor to the forum. I do read the deals though  ;).

I had personal involvement with ME. I do not think he did it for money. The complaint explicitly states that the $50,000 was for the thugs. It was $10,000 for the kangaroo "Beth Din". That's $3,333 per "dayan". ME made more than that per week. There was time, travel and risk involved in this one. $3,000 is not unreasonable.

However, in my personal case ME threatened me. I was probably a couple of days away of being beaten. The quick synopses of my case is that my ex refused to allow me to see or contact my kids, refused to attend a kosher beth din. It took the kosher beth din four months to grant me permission to go to court. (All the while we were separated, with my little kids being estranged from me.)

Things dragged and dragged. I did not have the $150,000 for a proper court battle. I went pro se, got proper visitation in court and offered to give a get. She refused and wanted to battle the court order -- in Beth Din. So, it dragged and dragged. Yes,she got one of these phony "beth dins" to reverse the court order.

At that point ME called me. I clearly explained that a get will be forthcoming as soon as A) we agree to follow the court order (where I was up against her lawyer...) and B) she follows through with visitation for 10 weeks. He agreed.

Four weeks later, while visitation was still NOT being kept, he called me up and threatened me. "You will give a get, and this will end now! One way or another, this is going to end".

I was advised to call Rabbi Belsky. Had ME tried some roasted eggs, Rabbi Belskey would have clearly ruled that the forced get is not kosher. It took another six months and Rabbi Belsky ruled to go back to the court order.

In conclusion: I feel ME did not do it for money. But all these posts about the "poor 'agunos'" are fare from accurate. Yes there are cases where the men are @#$^&. But, there are an equal amount of cases where the woman is the one behaving like an @#$%^&. ME indiscriminately sided with the woman. Having a goon like this out of business is good.
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2013, 01:42:05 PM »
I must agree, in a normal case a get should not be a bargaining Chip, but there are cases were its 100% k, like in a case were the wife has a rich family behind her and managed to get full time custody to kids through laywers that he cant afford, so then you fight with all you got.

Friend of mine, married with 1 kid, lived in usa. After divorce the father had him deported and banned from the u.s. He cant see his kids unless she brings them to him for a visit. She refuses... whats he supposed to do?


G-d has his reasons, that a wife cant give a get. Even Beth din doesnt have the Power, so i guess sometimes not giving is a valid option...

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2013, 03:43:38 PM »
@chuchem
In the case at hand that does not seem to be the case.
I have not yet heard the husband's side, and would love to.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2013, 04:29:44 PM »
@chuchem
In the case at hand that does not seem to be the case.
I have not yet heard the husband's side, and would love to.
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/09/serious-halachic-deterioration-in-weiss.html

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2013, 04:50:40 PM »
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/09/serious-halachic-deterioration-in-weiss.html

Now that I see that basically the one on his side is Gestetner from Monsey:

http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2012/06/r-avrahom-meir-weiss-bitul-seruv.html

All I can say that just this fact that he had to run to Gestetner makes it look like the husband is 100% wrong.

I know his Gestetner very well. He was a Shteimal macher till about 8 years ago. Once his business went down the drain, he declared himself a Rav"d and undertook a mission to help out husbands be Maegen their wives. He has a hotline, and is a real extremist. All Rabbanim in his eyes are corrupt, and 99% of the gittin today are posul in his mind. (Nochem Rosenberg style, but on a different project).
All legit Rabbanim and B"D that I know are against his positions. Besides the fact that he has no smichah. No Yorah, No Yudim, no nothing...
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2013, 06:43:29 PM »
I don't know why you think that is a lot of money for a lawyer. I was involved recently in something and we paid the lawyer 10 times that amount plus. He spent an hour more or less and then a couple hours more.

Hashem should help all here with much success and hatzlacha in all they do l'tova. It is wise not to judge other people, especially those involved in such horrible machlokes. And keep davening for klal yisroel that they should have shalom bayis, at home, the communities etc.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2013, 07:31:49 PM »
I am amazed how people here believe and give credibility to sources like The Jewish Week, Failed Messiah, or The NY Post. 
I don’t know why I need to explain that these gossip sites thrive on bashing all of us. It’s so shocking to see how many people take their words as facts.





Crazy.

There always is another side to the story, not that I am leaning in any way that this bastard of a guy is right.

What supprises me most is

ETA:

From - http://www.thejewishweek.com/features/all-she-wrote/case-dueling-dynasties-hits-home

He should be in חרם how is it that Rabbi Reuven Feinstein is siding with him?



Pretty sad..
http://nypost.com/2013/11/04/orthodox-jewish-womans-plea-for-a-divorce/

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