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Re: another get story..
« Reply #220 on: November 25, 2013, 01:42:54 PM »
Maybe according to her, he isn't fit to be a father?

I've already said that maybe this green is so one sided that she won't agree to his terms, and he would follow blindly?

Some people here seem really biased....


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Re: another get story..
« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2013, 02:15:09 PM »
For those who believed Dodelson when they claimed that they never agreed to Rabbi Greenwald being a Binding Arbitrator...

Where does that indicate she agreed to an arbitrator.  Her side claims they agreed to a mediator, from what I've heard.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.  Anyone that thinks neither side is at fault even a little is clearly biased.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #222 on: November 25, 2013, 02:58:37 PM »
Where does that indicate she agreed to an arbitrator.  Her side claims they agreed to a mediator, from what I've heard.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.  Anyone that thinks neither side is at fault even a little is clearly biased.
Its from HER lawyer...

I didn't say he isn't partially at fault...
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #223 on: November 25, 2013, 03:05:57 PM »
Its from HER lawyer...

I didn't say he isn't partially at fault...

Still says nothing about a binding arbitrator.  It mentions ADR, of which there are numerous types, most of which are non-binding.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #224 on: November 25, 2013, 03:17:53 PM »
That would be #3.
The "R" word.  :)
Because there's only one side  ;)

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #225 on: November 26, 2013, 12:46:47 PM »
This is what I am not understanding. This lady comes across to me as the biggest piece of $#@%. WHY is everyone saying give a divorce and ONLY then work things out. This lady seems to be uninterested in working things out and hence wants the divorce without working things out.

Is he withholding her divorce or is it HER that is withholding her own divorce?! If she would be a decent human being and have the slightest conscience, she would share custody with her ex. This is also for her own children's sake. Apparently she couldn't even give a damn about her own child. She does this hit piece in the NY Tabloid, which will now follow her child around for the rest of life?!

This lady claims she married the guy even though she wasn't interested! what a jerk! She messed this guys life up for nothing, ran off with his kid and now goes to the tabloids, tries ruining this guys family and more.  Share custody and work things out, dork.

Stop withholding your own divorce and let this poor guy move on with his life!
Well said

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #226 on: November 26, 2013, 08:03:25 PM »
Wow, people are more stupid here than I imagined.

Keep on repeating the nonsense, and eventually that will believe it....

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #227 on: December 02, 2013, 12:55:51 PM »
Letter from R' Shmuel Kaminetsky calls for the "Smear Campaign" to cease and desist.

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/12/weiss-dodelson-rav-shmuel-kaminetsky.html
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #228 on: December 03, 2013, 03:34:07 AM »
Letter from R' Shmuel Kaminetsky calls for the "Smear Campaign" to cease and desist.

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/12/weiss-dodelson-rav-shmuel-kaminetsky.html

Typical.....

PS: as usual the issue itself isn't dealt with.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #229 on: December 03, 2013, 10:51:31 PM »
Letter from R' Shmuel Kaminetsky calls for the "Smear Campaign" to cease and desist.

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/12/weiss-dodelson-rav-shmuel-kaminetsky.html

This "campaign" may be aimed at the Wiess family, however it is also primarily aimed at getting attention to the "get by force issue" in general, in order to sway public opinion leading up to the trial.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #230 on: December 03, 2013, 11:08:49 PM »
This "campaign" may be aimed at the Wiess family, however it is also primarily aimed at getting attention to the "get by force issue" in general, in order to sway public opinion leading up to the trial.

Clearly an effort to "keep the procedures within the rabbinics" and out of public eye...
It's been 4 years, and that hasn't gone well --

The couple has are already been civilly divorced for 2 years.
Whether or not it's halachically permitted to hold on, it's not mentchlich to "chain" a woman -- why can't the get be given unconditionally. 
there are no further negotiations needed for that marital status that it provides.
Divorce = get = move on with the necessary conditions to live daily/weekly.

For the rabbis to tell the public to be quiet after it's been 4 years just goes to show that they have no handle on it,
it's not a halachic prohibition to request public support -- perhaps they just want to avoid outside pressure.
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #231 on: December 03, 2013, 11:36:38 PM »
Clearly an effort to "keep the procedures within the rabbinics" and out of public eye...
It's been 4 years, and that hasn't gone well --

The couple has are already been civilly divorced for 2 years.
Whether or not it's halachically permitted to hold on, it's not mentchlich to "chain" a woman -- why can't the get be given unconditionally. 
there are no further negotiations needed for that marital status that it provides.
Divorce = get = move on with the necessary conditions to live daily/weekly.

For the rabbis to tell the public to be quiet after it's been 4 years just goes to show that they have no handle on it,
it's not a halachic prohibition to request public support -- perhaps they just want to avoid outside pressure.
Do believe the Torah was given on Har Sinai? and as the first mishna in Avos describes its lineage... now most of us try to keep to it!

That being said... Are you a male? Are you married? Do you have children? Do you believe a father has the moral right to see his children as they grow up?

If your answers were "YES" to all of the above, it would be easier to understand his position... Gital is being suspected (She made pretty clear publicly in her news articles, and her refusal to sign an agreement also attests to this) of planning to do the same move that many divorced women do: Try her darnedest to disconnect their child from his father. All he really wants is a binding agreement that she wont try to minimize his portion of visitaion.

Note: Halachicly the father receives full custody of his child at the age of six, while the mother only gets visitation.

Nobody disagrees that the marriage is long over, and the Get should be given. But as halachah dictates, all arguments should be settled before the get is given.
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #232 on: December 04, 2013, 12:12:34 AM »
@ybeeds

You seem to be enjoy spewing one-sided information. I happen to have access to a lot of information. I try to refrain from posting it as not to pour gasoline on the fire..

BTW what happened with Rabbi Sholom Kamentezky?...

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2013, 09:12:30 AM »
@ybeeds
BTW what happened with Rabbi Sholom Kamentezky?...

R' Shmuel Kaminetzky is telling people not to be involved in the "public smear campaign against the Weiss family"....

Do believe the Torah was given on Har Sinai? and as the first mishna in Avos describes its lineage... now most of us try to keep to it!
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Note: Halachicly the father receives full custody of his child at the age of six, while the mother only gets visitation.

Nobody disagrees that the marriage is long over, and the Get should be given. But as halachah dictates, all arguments should be settled before the get is given.

In response -
In גמרא גיטין it states that a get should not be given with a תנאי.

Therefore people who know,
״אל תעמד על דם רעך״,
want to assist someone who is remaining "chained" against her will.
I see what you are saying about gender -- the courts see past the "mother", "father" and can look into indiv personality, and perhaps the grandparents support....
Biased? maybe;
but the get cannot be used as a power tool -- Halacha, גמרא גיטין says it needs to be unconditionally given.
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #234 on: December 04, 2013, 11:20:39 AM »
R' Shmuel Kaminetzky is telling people not to be involved in the "public smear campaign against the Weiss family"....
He personally asked R Sholom to get involved, he did. But the Weiss family gave him the runaround, so he bowed out.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #235 on: December 04, 2013, 01:40:24 PM »
In response -
In גמרא גיטין it states that a get should not be given with a תנאי.
...
Halacha, גמרא גיטין says it needs to be unconditionally given.
Wow, leaving everything else aside, that is just about the worst misreading of a gemara I have ever seen. The get would not be valid if it were given with a tnai, but that has nothing to do with this situation, or with any potential agunah situation. When the husband refuses to give a get until xyz conditions are met, if those conditions are met and then he gives the get, that's not a condition in the get. Rather, if the husband is refusing to give the get for XYZ reasons, and beis din determines that he is halachically required to give a get, then he is a me'agen. Whether or not this particular me'agen has the halachic status of a me'agen is obviously the subject of much debate, one that I will stay out of.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #236 on: December 04, 2013, 01:42:14 PM »
Yeah, why not just give the get al t'nai that he sees the kid every week or whatever for the next 20 years.

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #237 on: December 04, 2013, 02:31:44 PM »
Yeah, why not just give the get al t'nai that he sees the kid every week or whatever for the next 20 years.
EXACTLY!
If he does that, then he's giving the get "al t'nai"!

sooo... halacha says get can only be given without a t'nai...
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Re: another get story..
« Reply #238 on: December 04, 2013, 02:45:57 PM »
EXACTLY!
If he does that, then he's giving the get "al t'nai"!

sooo... halacha says get can only be given without a t'nai...

link please

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Re: another get story..
« Reply #239 on: December 04, 2013, 03:09:35 PM »
link please
Link to the Halacha?

I don't think the Shulchan Aruch's website is up and running yet.. ;)