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Big difference between Motzei Laz on a Get & Questioning its validity!!! I never claimed the Get isn't good but rather asked if it is!!!

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Hidden · « **Reply #289 on:** February 06, 2014, 01:35:02 AM »

Quote from: ybeeds on February 06, 2014, 12:35:25 AM

Big difference between Motzei Laz on a Get & Questioning its validity!!! I never claimed the Get isn't good but rather asked if it is!!!

Just found this discussion...

questioning its validity is considered motzi laaz and is included in cherem d'rabbeinu taam.

ybeeds · « **Reply #290 on:** February 06, 2014, 02:18:46 AM »

Quote from: Hidden on February 06, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

questioning its validity is considered motzi laaz and is included in cherem d'rabbeinu taam.

Source? IIRC the Definition of Motzei Laaz, is to claim that the Get isn't good.

Questioning is not claiming anything...

springles · « **Reply #291 on:** February 06, 2014, 02:32:26 PM »

The site setgitalfree.com is down. I wonder if that was part of the agreement or the owner decided on their own to take it down.

edit: looks like the fb page is coming down tonight as part of the agreement

ybeeds · « **Reply #292 on:** February 06, 2014, 03:02:11 PM »

Quote from: springles on February 06, 2014, 02:32:26 PM

The site setgitalfree.com is down. I wonder if that was part of the agreement or the owner decided on their own to take it down.

edit: looks like the fb page is coming down tonight as part of the agreement

It was part of the agreement!

BigDanFan · « **Reply #293 on:** February 06, 2014, 04:31:09 PM »

Quote from: ybeeds on February 06, 2014, 03:02:11 PM

It was part of the agreement!

so now back to an earlier question:
If the 'get' was given with those attached conditions, then does that fall under giving a get with a תנאי ?

ckmk47 · « **Reply #294 on:** February 06, 2014, 05:24:04 PM »

Quote from: BigDanFan on February 06, 2014, 04:31:09 PM

so now back to an earlier question:
If the 'get' was given with those attached conditions, then does that fall under giving a get with a תנאי ?

No. That's ordinary negotiations. A tenai is when it's something you don't have control over. 'This get is good if the Broncos win the superbowl.' 'if the dog has puppies' Something not in the behavior of the 2 parties divorcing.

CS1 · « **Reply #295 on:** February 06, 2014, 06:00:03 PM »

Quote from: ckmk47 on February 06, 2014, 05:24:04 PM

No. That's ordinary negotiations. A tenai is when it's something you don't have control over. 'This get is good if the Broncos win the superbowl.' 'if the dog has puppies' Something not in the behavior of the 2 parties divorcing.

Then, I have a question:
Even then, obviously they will do the best they can and keep to the terms,
however, if they'd both remarry and then decide that they want a webpage up again,
or something else that they had agreed to keep to. That wouldn't make it as if they hadn't
gotten divorced, correct? It would just mean that after 10 years they broke one of the terms - is that a tenai?

ybeeds · « **Reply #296 on:** February 06, 2014, 07:19:07 PM »

Quote from: CS1 on February 06, 2014, 06:00:03 PM

Then, I have a question:
Even then, obviously they will do the best they can and keep to the terms,
however, if they'd both remarry and then decide that they want a webpage up again,
or something else that they had agreed to keep to. That wouldn't make it as if they hadn't
gotten divorced, correct? It would just mean that after 10 years they broke one of the terms - is that a tenai?

In this case, there will be monetary fine and a loss of Custody/visitation rights if the concession agreement is broken. It has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the Get.

hocker · « **Reply #297 on:** February 06, 2014, 08:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Hidden on February 06, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

questioning its validity is considered motzi laaz and is included in cherem d'rabbeinu taam.

Big difference between questioning the validity and inquiring about the validity...

BigDanFan · « **Reply #298 on:** February 09, 2014, 01:55:24 AM »

Quote from: ybeeds on February 06, 2014, 03:02:11 PM

It was part of the agreement!

wondering what else is 'part of the agreement'? they are both not allowed to talk about the terms?

curious to know if there is a link anywhere of the terms/agreement? Rumor was that there was a 6 figure payout for the get?

ybeeds · « **Reply #299 on:** February 09, 2014, 03:36:32 AM »

Quote from: BigDanFan on February 09, 2014, 01:55:24 AM

Rumor was that there was a 6 figure payout for the get?

not for the Get, but yes there was a six figure payout to the Weiss' lawyer, unattached to the final giving of the Get agreement... the Dodelsons knew they had to pay the lawyers bill before the lawyer was even hired, shortly after Gital left with their son... They didn't argue much about it, but rather they just used it for PR purposes to rile people up, claiming it to be extortion....