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Rome Overview
Rome is a classic European city with several famous sites to visit and plenty of history to explore, while fortunately also having a nice Jewish/Kosher representation to cover your food and Davening needs.

Trip Reports:
Mtl18, jj1000, Cbs, Eli, steve L, jmansour, Mtl18, Yehoshua, Chapshnell, Mech, @Yehuda, Feivish, yg99, Dan, dvol, Mount Scopus, Mootkim
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Getting there and getting around:

How long should I go for?
There are 3 main activities in Rome, so having a full 2 days is the minimum for a trip. Some will say that you want more time so you can explore some more of the city or perhaps visit the Tivoli gardens outside of Rome (see "Attractions" below), while others will say 2 days is perfect, and you'll be bored with anything longer. Shabbos can definitely be done in Rome since there are Minyanim and food options, but once you're in Italy, Venice is really the perfect place for Shabbos.

Travelling around Italy/Getting to Rome
Most often, if you're making a trip from USA to Rome, you're not just going to see Rome, but rather a few cities in Italy. When visiting Italy there are a few ways to travel around - trains, rent a car, or if you're going directly from one end of Italy (let's say Rome) to the other end (let's say Milan or Venice), it could be you'll want to fly.

Air:
If Rome is your first stop in Italy, then you'll likely be coming via air. FCO is the airport code. Because people arrive at FCO from many different locations, it's not practical to discuss the different routes you can take to get here. There are a few ways to get from the airport to the city center - shuttle, taxi, train, or bus. When you get out of baggage claim, you will be harassed by drivers offering to shuttle you (in a van, mini-van, or even just a taxi) along with other passengers to the city center for around 20-30 euro per person. It's not a terrible idea, and will be cheaper than a cab unless you can fill a cab's capacity with your family. A cab should cost approximately 50 euro. Leonardo Express trains to the city cost 14 euro each way, run every 30 minutes to Termini train station, and take 30 minutes for the trip. There are a couple of bus companies that offer bus service to Termini for 5-7 euro. You can buy tickets in the airport arrival hall on the right side when leaving customs. The bus can hit traffic, so the train is better bet for a more efficient ride.

Train:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then you may want to look into travelling via rail. There are 2 main train companies in Italy - TrenItalia and Treno Italo. Rates vary on a bunch of factors and neither site is fantastically designed, so check them out and ask for some help here if you need. Termini Train Station is the main station in Rome and is in the heart of the city.

Car Rental:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then besides for taking trains, you may find that a car rental suits your needs better, especially if you plan on hitting up several cities along the way as taking a train usually means having to get a cab or bus to/from each train station from your hotel. That time/cost plus the cost of the trains may cause you to decide on a car rental instead. Since it's Europe, expect a manual car unless you pay more for an automatic. Driving in Italy may bother you if you're not super comfortable driving, but that's really just in regards to the city driving; the highways are just like highway driving back home. Drop off your car at a location in town (as opposed to the airport), will get you to the city center, although will require some street driving, which can be a bit confusing/hectic/etc. if you don't love driving.

Getting around Rome
The main attractions in Rome are all within a 20-40 minute walk of each other, so walking is definitely an option if you're staying in the city center. There are also buses and a metro that you may want to take. The metro is pretty bad in Rome, with very few stops (there happens to be one at the Colosseum, but nothing within a 15 minute walk to the Jewish Ghetto), which makes it not so useful. So, if you're up for walking, it can definitely be done, otherwise a cab or bus would probably be your next best bet. When taking a taxi, it is advisable to catch one from a taxi stand and go by the meter. Non-official taxis are known to rip you off.


Where to stay:

The common points hotels are located pretty close to each other in the center of town near the Spanish Steps. That area is a 30 minute walk to the Jewish Ghetto.

Here are some places that are discussed in this thread:

NameAreaMore InfoComments
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St. Regis RomeSpanish StepsWebsiteSPG Cat. 6 - 20K/25K, C+P 10K+$180
Westin ExcelsiorSpanish StepsWebsiteSPG Cat. 6 - 20K/25K, C+P 10K+$180
Intercontinental De La Villa RomaSpanish StepsWebsiteIHG Cat. 9 - 50K
Sheraton RomaBetween FCO and Rome properWebsiteSPG Cat. 2 - 3K, C+P 2K+$35 | For someone stingy on points, this hotel might work well. It has a paid shuttle to the airport, as well as a paid shuttle to the city center. It is far from the sites of Rome, so cabs will be expensive. A 15 minute walk to the nearest metro can get you to town, but as said above, the metro isn't great in Rome.
Sheraton Golf Parco de MediciNear FCOWebsiteSPG Cat. 3 - 7K, C+P 3.5K+$55 | Nice option if you just need to be near the airport for the night as there is an airport shuttle, although it's not complimentary.


What to do:

Attractions & Activities
Tours are very popular in Rome, particularly using one of the Jewish companies - Rome for Jews or Jewish Roma, which are described in more detail below. Whichever company you choose, the guide you get can make or break it. It takes persistence to find out who will be guiding a tour on a specific day, but here are guides that people specifically liked:

Rome for Jews
Jewish Ghetto - David (Dan)
Vatican - David (Dan)

Jewish Roma
Jewish Ghetto - Sara (@Yehuda), Yael (ckmk47)

NameMore InfoComments
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Tour of Jewish GhettoRFJ, JRThe Ghetto will be the center of your trip (because of food/Minyan and because of its actual location), so you'll get to know it well just by visiting. However, almost everyone who has taken a tour of the Ghetto has said it was the highlight of their trip. There are 2 main tour guides for the Ghetto (they also offer tours of other sites in Rome), Rome For Jews and Jewish Roma. The reviews - DDF and elsewhere - of both are outstanding. Everyone who has taken either tour has raved about it. No one on DDF has taken both, though, so there are no reports comparing the two (although you will find much discussion and debate as to which one is better that ends with neither program on top). The tour will bring you back in history and really help you understand how this small street is not just a street with restaurants, but once was closed in and housed thousands of Jews. The unbelievably gorgeous Great Synagogue of Rome is the center of the Ghetto - it can only be entered during Minyanim or with a tour guide. The museum/archive in the basement can be entered by anyone during hours, but the tours will take you there (and the entrance fee won't be included in your tour cost). The main issue with the tours is that they are extremely expensive, running about 100 euro per person (both are similarly priced and are usually in small groups). However, Jewish Roma does offer a student rate of 50 euro if others - paying full price ;) - have already started a tour for your day. The money is well worth it, but for those trying to save money, there is a free Rick Steves' audio tour of the Ghetto that people have said is good.
Colosseum,              Roman ForumsWebsiteThis area is known as Old Rome. Viewing these sites can be done on your own or with a tour. The same ticket grants entrance to both sites. You can walk into the Colosseum, and with a general knowledge of what went on there, get a good feel for the place. However, a tour could be nice. Several DDFers have taken tours with companies like City Wonders, but have felt that the guides were boring and the tours too long and not too good. The free Rick Steves' audio tour is very good and might be your best bet. However, the biggest concern at the Colosseum is the line to get in, which can be 1-2 hours long, but tour groups get to skip the line, which is the biggest upside to taking a tour. Another way to skip the line is by purchasing tickets in advance  and getting on the normally short line for renting an audio guide. By renting the audio guide, you are able to skip the entrance line. Once inside, they say it's better to use Rick Steves rather than the Colosseum's audio guide you just rented. Another option to get in faster is to cross the street to the entrance of the Roman Forums where the line for tickets is usually much shorter - again, that tickets works for both sites. The Roman Forums, just across the street from the Colosseum, is an open area that houses many ruins from different Roman structure. If you're into Roman history, you'll enjoy this part, otherwise you might find it to be dull except for the main attraction within the Forums - the Arch of Titus. There are a few entrances to the Forums, so if you just want to see Titus, try to find the entrance near the Colosseum that leads right to it.
VaticanWebsiteIf you're into art/history, the Vatican museums will be unbelievable. DDFers have varying opinions about their experience in the museum. Some loved it (with and without tours/audio guides), others found it super boring. (Could that be because they didn't take a tour?) You will also want to AYLOR about going into the Sistine Chapel, which is the last room you'll get to if you follow the museum path (somehow the @Yehudas completely missed it). To avoid entering the chapel, you can either ask the guard standing there if you can go through exit that's there (explain religious reasons, etc.) or go back through the whole museum. The lines here can be just as long as the Colossuem or they could be non-existent. Buying tickets online beforehand/going with a group should help with that.
Trevi Fountain, Pantheon,        Spanish StepsTourYou can simply walk up to these sites and check them out or you can take the New Rome Walking Tour which is a daily, free walking tour that covers these sites among others and lasts for about 2.5 hours. AYLOR about the Pantheon (as it's a church as well as a potential issue for Kohanim), although even if you don't go in, just seeing the building is worth stopping by.
Capitoline MuseumWebsiteLocated in the Forum area.  A series of buildings with lots of art, statues, etc.  You can rent an audio tour that's well worth it.
Outside Of RomeImages
Villa D'este, TivoliWebsiteIf you're willing to drive outside of Rome for about an hour (doesn't add too much time to a trip heading towards Florence/Pisa), you might want to stop in Tivoli to see this. It's an old estate that has a quick house to walk through (not too exciting) and then an absolutely stunning fountain garden in the back. You'll see tons of fountains, each designed differently, along with a great view of the countryside.
Cinque TerreWebsiteFive villages: Monterosso al Mare, Vernazza, Corniglia, Manarola, and Riomaggiore. The coastline, the five villages, and the surrounding hillsides are all part of the Cinque Terre.
Portofino (Harbor)Website Italian fishing village and holiday resort famous for its picturesque harbour and historical association with celebrity and artistic visitors.
FlorenceWebsite The capital city of the Italian region of Tuscany and of the Metropolitan City of Florence.


Shuls:

NameMore InfoComments
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Great Synagogue of RomeWebsiteShacharis at 7:45AM, Mincha/Maariv before/after Shkia, Nusach Italki.
Oratorio di CastroN/ACesare Balbo 33, 17 minute walk from the Westin, Eidut Mizrach
ChabadWebsite, WebsiteIt seems like there are 2 websites for Chabad, with the first having some dead links, but otherwise good Jewish info, while the second seems to be the current, live site. Shabbos meals can be arranged at Chabad.


Food:

Basically all of the Kosher restaurants are on the 1 block strip of the Ghetto, aside for Yotvata, which is about 2 blocks away. All the restaurants listed below are under the Beis Din of Rome. Yehoshua and @Yehuda were told by their LORs to contact Rabbi Eidlitz from KosherQuest.org to find out more information about Kashrus in Rome. He suggested to both of them to call and rely on a Rabbi in Milan. The Rabbi there said that one should only eat in the dairy places in Rome. From the thread, you'll learn that people found out that the Jews of Italy don't require Glatt meat, which is why eating at the meat restaurants is more of a sketchy issue, although some places do offer Glatt as an option (if that works for you).

NameMore InfoComments
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BA"Ghetto MilkyWebsiteAh, BA"Ghetto. The best place to eat in Rome (if you're only eating dairy). The pasta here is homemade and other-worldly. You must, must eat here. Ok, hope that was clear enough. Try one thing, try 'em all! You can also get a famous, tasty Roman/Jewish artichoke here, although not everyone thinks it's as good as they say. You can eat outside on the street under umbrellas, and ah! it's just a fantastic experience. There is also a BA"Ghetto Meaty down the block, but that faces the Glatt issue raised above. BA"Ghetto is right near the Great Synagogue, so it's kinda in the middle of the strip of Kosher restaurants (just for a reference point).
YotvataWebsite2 blocks away from the Ghetto, Yotvata is a very nice dairy place that's often compared to BA"Ghetto. Generally, the prices are slightly cheaper here. Most agree that although the food does taste good here, BA"Ghetto is just better.
Little TripoliWebsiteLocated in the Piazza Bologna area. This is a Mediterranean cuisine restaurant which is under the hashgacha of the local chabad and is Glatt Kosher.
GelatoN/AA little ice cream shop a few stores down from BA"Ghetto Milky that serves great tasting and cheap ice cream. Depending on your schedule, you might find yourself at 2-3 o'clock without having yet eaten lunch and might be able to pull off some ice cream/milkshake as a cheap lunch meal to save some money and hold you off until dinner.
BakeryN/AOffically known as Pasticceria Boccione and Il Forno de Ghetto, you can find this Kosher bakery on a corner in the Ghetto adjacent to the Gelato store. The store is extremely tiny, with very few baked goods on display (especially stuff that you'll recognize), but you may find some donuts and croissants that are tasty.
Kosher Delight GroceryN/ADown the block from BA"Ghetto Milky, this grocery is very small, but does have a few packaged goods from Israel that could help you put together some food for the road. You can also buy fancy cheeses at low prices that you can't get close to in America.
Flour Farina E CucinaN/AIf you have 1st hand experience please comment/update Flour is a very cool Dairy restaurant: Important note: All the cooked and baked goods are cholov Yisroel BUT the milk used for the coffee has a default option of cholov stam and you need to request cholov yisroel for the coffee/drinks - According to 2 people I spoke to at Flour (04/15/18) Located outside the ghetto - Address is: Via Cremona, 29-37, 00161 Roma RM, Italy.
Open from 7am but ala carte options typically only available during specific hours.

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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2160 on: July 20, 2017, 12:52:57 PM »
Wow fastest TR you ever finished.
Sorry you didn't enjoy Trevi Fountain or the Spanish steps.

I did enjoy Trevi, it was just jam packed full of tourists and shady picture takers.

Spanish steps were just very crowded steps full of tourists, what am I missing?
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« Reply #2161 on: July 20, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
Spanish steps were just very crowded steps full of tourists, what am I missing?
The steps were not to see just the steps but rather the area and the shops.

I would compare it to going to paris and not walking down Rue Saint Honoré
or Via Montenapoleone of Milan or Madison Ave of New York or Bond St of London.
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« Reply #2162 on: July 20, 2017, 12:59:48 PM »
Trevi..... shady picture takers.
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2163 on: July 20, 2017, 01:00:09 PM »
Longer flight from LA :)

What else did you guys do?
1:10 sounds perfect.
Well we didn't fly straight to Rome, we came on train from Venice. You can read everything we did here in my TR. In a nutshell, we did a Jewish tour of the Ghetto, the Vatican, a free walking tour of Rome, and Villa d'Este.

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« Reply #2164 on: July 20, 2017, 01:23:09 PM »
The steps were not to see just the steps but rather the area and the shops.

I would compare it to going to paris and not walking down Rue Saint Honoré
or Via Montenapoleone of Milan or Madison Ave of New York or Bond St of London.
No shops were open at night, just people selling trinkets.
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« Reply #2165 on: July 20, 2017, 01:23:55 PM »
Well we didn't fly straight to Rome, we came on train from Venice. You can read everything we did here in my TR. In a nutshell, we did a Jewish tour of the Ghetto, the Vatican, a free walking tour of Rome, and Villa d'Este.
With an extra day I'd have gone to VDE, but no mas tours!
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2166 on: July 20, 2017, 01:24:07 PM »
No shops were open at night, just people selling trinkets.
I suggest in the day.....

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« Reply #2167 on: July 20, 2017, 01:31:47 PM »
I suggest in the day.....

Oh well you saved 5-10k
Lol, don't recall anyone suggesting that earlier.
Also Trevi is supposed to be at night, so I guess those are separate trips, though Rick Steves lumps them together.
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« Reply #2168 on: July 20, 2017, 01:37:18 PM »
With an extra day I'd have gone to VDE, but no mas tours!
Lol, the good thing about the free tour we did is you could leave anytime during the tour and no one cared. It happened to be a great tour, though it lasted close to 3 hours and we ended up leaving towards the end.

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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2169 on: July 20, 2017, 02:15:29 PM »
Lol, don't recall anyone suggesting that earlier.
Also Trevi is supposed to be at night, so I guess those are separate trips, though Rick Steves lumps them together.
1. Start your day with minyan at the Roman Synagogue then head to the bakery to pick up breakfast
2. Jewish Walking Tour of the Ghetto (Rome For Jews) should end up around the Ghetto
3. BA"Ghetto Milky
4. Spanish Steps
5. Shopping on local streets (Via De Condotti and side st.)*

6. Dinner Trevi Fountain (Bring your camera with Night settings)

Day 2
1. Segway Tour (depending where you go depends what you do later)
2. Take Yotveta Lunch and eat it by the Colosseum
3. Arch of Constantine & Arch of Titus
4. Flumi Fountain


In concept you could fit everything in 1 day
and do Florence the next day.

But I would spend a hour at the spanish steps and have coffee*.
etc.




Pantheon is a Pageon Temple and a overground tomb
Vatican is the Vatican.

No one seemed to mention Spanish steps and shopping?*

Or Segway tour?
*After Lunch, Coffee & During shopping hours..... unfortunately or fortunately I didn't make it clear.
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« Reply #2170 on: July 20, 2017, 02:17:34 PM »
Lol, don't recall anyone suggesting that earlier.
Also Trevi is supposed to be at night, so I guess those are separate trips, though Rick Steves lumps them together.
I did Spanish Steps daily on my trip when I stayed at the IC which is located at the top of the steps.

Next time Shopping near the Spanish Steps, Segway Tour, Moped & a few Day trips.....
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« Reply #2171 on: July 20, 2017, 02:31:50 PM »
Day Trips from Rome.

I almost forgot!!!


Cinque Terre!!!


I heard they are limiting tourist from coming or something like that so look into it.

& Portofino Harbor



If you've been to Rome before then I recommend taking the trip to Villa D'este. If not then I would spend my time locally and save this for another trip.

Florence




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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2172 on: July 20, 2017, 03:26:19 PM »
Day 1:
Arrive 8:10AM
Taxi to S Regis Rome, arrive 9:30am
RFJ Jewish Ghetto tour at 2:30-5:30pm>>>Tour lasted until 7pm. David Walden makes this tour truly come to life with his humor and passion 9.5/10.

Taxi or walk to Trevi Fountain/Spanish Steps>>>Trevi fountain is pretty but jam packed, didnt see the point of the steps

Day 2:
Depart 8:30am to Flour bakery for breakfast>>>Went to Boccione 8/10*
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Taxi to Baghetto Milky or Bellacarne dinner>>>Clearly dairy is the way to go in Rome. 9/10. Great pizza, best Ravioli ever, though small portion. Sorry, didn't like the tiramisu at all, tossed it and went back for gelato.
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Thanks for all the help guys!

Great tour. Agreed -- we walked right by the steps and all we saw were people taking pictures and selfies on them. Maybe it has a religious significance?

Funny that you didn't like the tiramisu.  (Do you like creme brulee, in general? It may be a similar style dessert taste.)  I think that gelato place is new?

Yes, the meat places weren't so amazing. The dairy, bakeries and pasta are excellent. Did you like the St. Regis overall?
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2173 on: July 20, 2017, 03:36:00 PM »
It's straight up not a good tiramisu there.
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2174 on: July 20, 2017, 03:40:44 PM »
Spanish Steps is more an experience and less a photo

I stayed at the Intercontinental so was a wonderful place to hang out

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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2175 on: July 20, 2017, 03:44:27 PM »
Great tour. Agreed -- we walked right by the steps and all we saw were people taking pictures and selfies on them. Maybe it has a religious significance?

Funny that you didn't like the tiramisu.  (Do you like creme brulee, in general? It may be a similar style dessert taste.)  I think that gelato place is new?

Yes, the meat places weren't so amazing. The dairy, bakeries and pasta are excellent. Did you like the St. Regis overall?
I love a good Creme Brulee, though I've had amazing versions of the dish (Alter Nativ in TLV) and awful ones (Kosh in MIA).

SR was good but overpriced and not in a great location.
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2176 on: July 20, 2017, 03:49:35 PM »
Spanish Steps is more an experience and less a photo

I stayed at the Intercontinental so was a wonderful place to hang out
Night market was a much nicer place to hang out among locals rather than tourists and annoying street peddlers.
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2177 on: July 20, 2017, 03:52:51 PM »
Spanish Steps is more an experience and less a photo

I stayed at the Intercontinental so was a wonderful place to hang out
agreed.
Night market was a much nicer place to hang out among locals rather than tourists and annoying street peddlers.
I agree also with the idea of being around locals more than tourist. the other smaller fountains would have given you that as well.
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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2178 on: July 20, 2017, 05:23:28 PM »
I think doing a Jewish tour of the forum/colloseum area is overkill. You will have heard the full gamut of Roman history on the ghetto tour. There is nothing inherently Jewish about the Forum area aside for the Arch of Titus which any tour will mention, and the fact that that the Colloseum was built by Jewish slaves which will also be mentioned. I recommend just going to TA and picking one with good reviews.

JR Ancient City tour 9:30am-12:30pm>>>Marina from JR was a typical tour guide. I'd rather watch paint dry than go on the typical tour. Very little Jewish info. 1/10.  Colloseum is interesting to walk around, would have got the same out of it and the forum had we read rick steves and walked around.

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether this is an I told you so situation. Jury is still out...

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Re: Rome Master Thread
« Reply #2179 on: July 20, 2017, 05:48:13 PM »
I'm having a hard time figuring out whether this is an I told you so situation. Jury is still out...
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