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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #280 on: November 16, 2013, 07:00:19 PM »
I don't understand what most of the comments have to do with original article. She clearly wrote that they called her in for reasons other than her hair such add the way she dressed. She apparently did not want to confirm with the rules of Satmar. Yet she still is indignant that they didn't want to accept her as a regular Samar family. If you want to be part of Samar them play the part. If you don't want to pay the part then don't be surprised when you are not accepted as one of them. Orthodox Judaism has a wide range. Find the group you feel comfortable with and join them. Don't expect to disregard the customs of a group and still be considered one of them.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #281 on: November 16, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #282 on: November 16, 2013, 08:07:17 PM »
The reason for shaving is the chatsistsa.
The reason why other parts aren't necessarily shaved is because it's not as dense.

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #283 on: November 16, 2013, 08:08:28 PM »
The reason why other parts aren't necessarily shaved is because it's not as dense.
Says you. Any halachic basis for that?

@jj
My dad isn't sefardi if that helps answer your question
Not at all, especially because 2 members said you are, before you posted a seemingly purposefully vague answer.

@satmar guy, kimchis did not have 6 sons die, if a Kohen Gadol wasnt pure he couldnt do the avodah. he didnt have to die.
+1 there is a whole story of how the king called each son and spit on them, making them tamei. Saying otherwise is sheer am haratzus. And makes me doubt a persons integrity. Using a part of a story completely out of context to make it fit your agenda is pretty low.
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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #284 on: November 16, 2013, 08:13:26 PM »
Sorry. My phone died. He just quotes the gemara that tochachos shebimishneh Torah Moshe mipi atzmo amran that Moshe spoke the words in sefer devarim of his volition, not from god and that all of devarim was like that.
The way the rishonim explain this gemara is that Moshe said the tochachos on his own and therefore they are good own words but they only became part of the Torah when God repeated them to him and told him to write them down.
Nothing that the ibn Ezra says contradicts that

Oh. I was referring to the "secret of the 12" and items he lists afterwards (e.g., "v'haknani uz baaretz).

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #285 on: November 16, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »
Says you. Any halachic basis for that?
Not at all, especially because 2 members said you are, before you posted a seemingly purposefully vague answer.
 +1 there is a whole story of how the king called each son and spit on them, making them tamei. Saying otherwise is sheer am haratzus. And makes me doubt a persons integrity. Using a part of a story completely out of context to make it fit your agenda is pretty low.

...and he didn't know what are vayse zukin.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #286 on: November 16, 2013, 08:16:16 PM »
Oh. I was referring to the "secret of the 12" and items he lists afterwards (e.g., "v'haknani uz baaretz).
Where is this?
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #287 on: November 16, 2013, 08:18:51 PM »
...and he didn't know what are vayse zukin.
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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #289 on: November 16, 2013, 08:27:45 PM »
Interesting question posed to Rabbi Shais Taub in the Ami this week. Check it out. About a chasidish lady who's husband doesn't like to wear Veissa Zuken and she doesn't like to shave her head.


Lol, can probably ask him about it right here on DDF.


Didn't know he's a member here!
I always enjoy what he has to say. He's dead on!
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Can we have our very own  dedicated Ask Rabbi Taub thread here on DDF?

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #290 on: November 16, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »
Can we have our very own  dedicated Ask Rabbi Taub thread here on DDF?
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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #291 on: November 16, 2013, 08:32:07 PM »
There are definitely proportionally more Satmar than most other chasidim going of the path.
There are several reasons for that.

Satmar was more grouped as part of a city than part of a chassidus, so the whole area would follow. Notice that there is not a very strict uniform by the satmar, and there are different variations to what people wear.
That being said, they followed more a shitte than the actual rebbe.
After reb Yoel, there was no real leader, and with zalmoinim and aroinim things only became worse = diluted the leadership even more.

No leadership could mean way easier to go astray, if your living with a lifestyle where a Rebbe is needed.

Having those very strict rules (only very chnokkishe chassidim and viznits, are for instance into shaving heads of the ladies), amongst other rules, as well as being intolerant for people that want to go a bit easier on the rules (I'm not blaming, just stating facts), has the following effects on those that cannot or don't want to keep up:
Parents would have to fake that they go according to certain rules to keep their kids in school. Kids who see the parents faking are at high risk going off.
Also, someone that wants to be a little more free, but still according to mainstream traditional religious Judaism considered frum, will become an outcast, and pretty much considered completely off the derech.
Since he is gepasselt, he has no incentives nor brakes to stop him on his down hill ride......
Satmar it's famous for the lots of gemillas chasodim being done, but also famous for less popular things, as well as the highly unpopular anti-Zionist movement which is the closest to neturei karta.
Yes, there are entire neighborhood consisting of off chassidim (in the USA someone off can still wear all the begodim), and many are Yoilies....
To say that proportionally (meaning, taking into account their numbers) they go as little it as much off the derech as others is being very unrealistic.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #292 on: November 16, 2013, 08:32:47 PM »

+1
Can we have our very own  dedicated Ask Rabbi Taub thread here on DDF?
Start it, let's see if he chimes in

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #293 on: November 16, 2013, 08:40:51 PM »
@ satmar lady:

Trroogen shtrrimpf mit seamz iz jezt in fashion ba de goyim.
Efsherr is tzaat tsi trroogen geherrige shtrrrimpf?

That will proof whether it's worn just because it's your tradition or to actually look out of date.

I was partly joking before (in this post), but in as much as the husband agree to the shaving part, no that done rabonim spoke harshly against it (no links at hand), as they said that the "turning oneself ugly", is a big problem, as that could disgust the husband, yes, even if he stands behind this shitta.
Women have to look good to their husband so that all stays in check.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #294 on: November 16, 2013, 08:53:06 PM »
Start it, let's see if he chimes in
I think it's CV

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #296 on: November 16, 2013, 08:54:20 PM »
What am I supposed to be looking at?

וכן פירוש: ככל אשר צוה ה' אותו אליהם בעבר הירדן במדבר בערבה ואם תבין סוד (השרים) [צ"ל השנים] עשר, גם ויכתוב משה,
והכנעני אז בארץ,
בהר ה' יראה,
גם והנה ערשו ערש ברזל תכיר האמת.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #297 on: November 16, 2013, 08:55:27 PM »
וכן פירוש: ככל אשר צוה ה' אותו אליהם בעבר הירדן במדבר בערבה ואם תבין סוד (השרים) [צ"ל השנים] עשר, גם ויכתוב משה,
והכנעני אז בארץ,
בהר ה' יראה,
גם והנה ערשו ערש ברזל תכיר האמת.


What am I supposed to be looking at?
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #298 on: November 16, 2013, 08:58:32 PM »
Where's SatmarGuy's post? He deleted his post?
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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #299 on: November 16, 2013, 08:59:11 PM »


Sorry, I will get in trouble if I say anymore.