Wow, it sure sounds like you're trying to get me mad with all that sarcasm, but I'm not.
Sorry, I didn't know sarcasm gets you mad, and I'm not trying to get you anything, besides for getting you to understand what I'm saying.
(M'derkent az ihr kimt fin a kanuosdige background - nur genitzt oif farkert... uber b'emes, az ihr zent nimos fin "satmarkeiten", vie past di sharfe geredechts? afilu bei di fartzeitische iz es shoin nisht in der mudde.)
איך ווייס נישט פון וועלכע סאטמערישקייטן איר רעדט, און וואו איר זעט שארפע גערעדעכץ, האט איר שוין אמאל געזען צוויי מענטשען זיך טענה'ן אין א שטיקל לומדות? גענוי אזוי זעט עס אויס. אזוי ווי ס'שטייט אין גמרא,
אמר רבי חייא בר אבא: אפילו האב ובנו, הרב ותלמידו שעוסקין בתורה בשער אחד, נעשים אויבים זה את זה ואינם זזים משם עד שנעשים אוהבים זה את זה, שנאמר; אֶת וָהֵב בְּסוּפָה
If nail polish would be used in our circles, I wouldn't be surprised if they would make a takunah that it shouldn't be applied a significant amount of time prior.
I'm sure you're aware we don't handle dough that day. I don't think it lasts longer.
Exactly! dough and nail polish would apply for right before mikva, whereas the shaving decree applies to all times. Older women who hadn't been to mikva in decades, will not be buried in a Satmar cemetery if she didn't shave. Besides, we don't see any kids being expelled from schools if their mothers bake challah's on mikva day, even if that actually does say in Shulchan Aruch.
Did I give the number 250? Many years could pass until a new takunah is issued. And as clearly stated, just my own theory.
Ok, so it tool them over a millennia to realize that women don't wear veils anymore?
To paraphrase your request: As I said, give me the source to what you stated - with seeming certainty - that it originates from peasants. I'm not disproving, it's just hard for me to believe so I want to check that out myself. I actually like finding mekoros to minhagim, legit or otherwise.
To be honest, I don't remember where I've seen it, I tried googling it, but primitive peasant lifestyle in European villages from the Eighteenth century is not very well documented. But I'm still trying to find the source, hang in there.
But in contrast to the primitive villagers, Jewish Halacha throughout the ages was very well documented, and if this was indeed a תקנה by the וועד ארבע ארצות, it's not unreasonable for one to want to see a source. And the lack thereof is a pretty well indication that such a thing does not exist.
I can't speak for every chasidishe woman out there, but I personally don't have a hard time accepting a chumrah that's been the tradition for a while but doesn't have a clear mekor - provided that it makes sense. This chumrah does make sense to me, as I've seen my neighbors' hair plenty of times, and I do remember the difficulty of ridding one's hair from a chatzitzah.
And I respect your decision to go ahead with it, I would not have a problem with you following it, even if you thought it doesn't make sense. What you do is none of my business.
If a woman does have an issue with such a chumrah - by all means, find your kids a different school! Just like any school, Satmar has every right to make any rules they wish, as ridiculous as you may find them, as long as they don't force anyone to send there.
Now that's what I don't get. Does a school have the right to intrude like that in a private persons life? Where does this control end? Can your kids' school tell you what color to paint your walls? How about telling you to buy only skim milk? Can they force you to eat whole wheat? can they tell you to use only the roll toilet paper and not precut?
And let's even say that you answer all these questions with a resounding yes, the school does indeed have the right, but is it מענטשליך? אידישליך? to creep into the most private intimate area or a persons body?
Besides, they don't have the right because they are not a private business, they are a public funded non for profit organization, and they need to be accountable to the community that supports them. (I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?) They can accept tax exempt donations, don't they?
I would appreciate getting the article for personal interest, but I never even pretended to argue on its merits. Someone asked me for my thoughts about the way the woman was treated, and I commented from what I know based on hard facts from different Satmar
communities. It didn't occur to me that KJ would be that different.
The article is in your inbox, hope you enjoy it.
