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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2013, 11:17:01 PM »
Surprised nobody mentioned this.  Purpose of shaving head is for chatzitza, not tznius.
Why is it a chatzitza?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2013, 11:17:56 PM »
Why is yourself and your husband nobody?
It's not literally nobody, but someone might decide the convenience of it outweighs the need for it to be seen by her/ her husband.


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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2013, 11:18:44 PM »
Why is it a chatzitza?
If it's knotted or plucked.  Like many things Chassidim do, this is a chumra taken to an extreme.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2013, 11:25:14 PM »
Surprised nobody mentioned this.  Purpose of shaving head is for chatzitza, not tznius.
If anything, the fact that one shaves hair can make hair into a chatziza....

I have seen mentioned the reason of chatziza for shaving, though not by any poskim from more than a 150 years ago. I could be wrong.


Btw see ramban in the parsha of eishes yefas toar for a perspective on shaven woman...

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2013, 11:25:39 PM »
I don't think Chassidish women do.  They wear it in a pony or a bun.
Huh?
Do you know what you're talking about?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2013, 11:26:09 PM »
It's only considered a chatzitza if you regularly shave...
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« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2013, 11:28:20 PM »
Surprised nobody mentioned this.  Purpose of shaving head is for chatzitza, not tznius.
Nobody mentioned it for a reason.
This is clearly not the purpose.

It actually makes it more complicated for that matter.
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« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2013, 11:30:26 PM »
Fair enough. But my local sheitel macher won't know
You can always come over, I'll host you :)
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« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2013, 11:32:12 PM »
Huh?
Do you know what you're talking about?
I'm not talking about your type of chassidish, I'm talking about the real type.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2013, 11:34:26 PM »
I'm not talking about your type of chassidish, I'm talking about the real type.
are u kidding. How do u know what kind of chassidish he is. That is extremely disrespectful and is not tolerated here.

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2013, 11:37:07 PM »
@sam
What type of chassidishe are you talking about? chasiddishe Catholics?

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2013, 11:43:41 PM »
@sam
What type of chassidishe are you talking about? chasiddishe Catholics?
I'm not talking about the type who post on ddf  :P
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2013, 12:18:33 AM »
Hello all of you! I've been here for a while but never took the time to register, but now I couldn't resist. I only read just a few of your comments, so I might re-post. Here's what I have to say, being there and doing that:
Of course it's about the mikveh. As a kallah I was told this was the main reason. In our local mikveh they have separate mikvaos for chassidishe women, because we want to avoid (other women's) stray hairs from clinging to the body. And yes, we are aware that this is a chumra which of course doesn't make it or break it, but as chasidim we do things lifnim mishuras hadin. that being said, tznius is also an important factor.
And this most definitely has nothing to do with Satmar per se, or the satmar "cult leader" for that matter! you should hear my Belz neighbor raving about the importance of this chumrah. Same goes for many other circles. the idea dates back to much earlier than the satmar rebbe. I did read up about it at one point, but now I can't seem to remember when it actually started. I might try to do some research.
I don't mind shaving in the least bit. taking care of my hair was such a job! if I get to show it, then that's a different story, but to shvitz for covered hair?
btw, I find all this cult talk really offensive. As a matter of fact, while satmar is indeed the strictest sect, it's the least cult-like from all chassidus. we don't worship the rebbe in the ways others do. while the rebbe was still alive people in the kehilla weren't afraid to voice objections to things the rebbe did, and the rebbe actually encouraged this! (there are stories to prove). think about this: Kiryas  Joel is a Satmar town, yet anyone can set up their own Shul there (and there are tens of them). we don't have only 1 single mode of dress - while others could only wear 1 type of hat, coat or peyos, satmar doesn't require that. the satmar rebbe just taught his followers to fulfill every mitzvah to its utmost. just like with tznius, satmar does its best when it comes to chessed (think of all the charity organizations it runs) and many other mitzvos.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2013, 12:21:53 AM »
Thanks for the insight.
Just a thought-you could make your point without putting others down
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2013, 12:22:09 AM »
Hello all of you! I've been here for a while but never took the time to register, but now I couldn't resist. I only read just a few of your comments, so I might re-post. Here's what I have to say, being there and doing that:
Of course it's about the mikveh. As a kallah I was told this was the main reason. In our local mikveh they have separate mikvaos for chassidishe women, because we want to avoid (other women's) stray hairs from clinging to the body. And yes, we are aware that this is a chumra which of course doesn't make it or break it, but as chasidim we do things lifnim mishuras hadin. that being said, tznius is also an important factor.
And this most definitely has nothing to do with Satmar per se, or the satmar "cult leader" for that matter! you should hear my Belz neighbor raving about the importance of this chumrah. Same goes for many other circles. the idea dates back to much earlier than the satmar rebbe. I did read up about it at one point, but now I can't seem to remember when it actually started. I might try to do some research.
I don't mind shaving in the least bit. taking care of my hair was such a job! if I get to show it, then that's a different story, but to shvitz for covered hair?
btw, I find all this cult talk really offensive. As a matter of fact, while satmar is indeed the strictest sect, it's the least cult-like from all chassidus. we don't worship the rebbe in the ways others do (and 1 particular sect comes to mind). while the rebbe was still alive people in the kehilla weren't afraid to voice objections to things the rebbe did, and the rebbe actually encouraged this! (there are stories to prove). think about this: Kiryas  Joel is a Satmar town, yet anyone can set up their own Shul there (and there are tens of them). we don't have only 1 single mode of dress - while others could only wear 1 type of hat, coat or peyos, satmar doesn't require that. the satmar rebbe just taught his followers to fulfill every mitzvah to its utmost. just like with tznius, satmar does its best when it comes to chessed (think of all the charity organizations it runs) and many other mitzvos.
Thanks
If you don't care why would you comment?
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