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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #211 on: November 15, 2013, 11:59:47 AM »
Because then they wouldnt be able to make sandwiches for their husbands.
Wear gloves, just like a sheital.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #212 on: November 15, 2013, 12:01:25 PM »
Wear gloves, just like a sheital.
Seriously, because hair is a beautiful feature of femininity. It is reserved for the husband. IMHO this makes a lot of sense.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #213 on: November 15, 2013, 12:02:26 PM »
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I think the fact that you call it Satmar "beliefs"and not stringencies or chumros, only reinforces the opinion of those that think it's an offshoot cult of Judaism.
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Nit-picking on my choice of words as a poor substitute for valid argument. Is this because you are in an anti-Satmar cult?
Just 1 example: The Satmar Rebbe believed Zionism is a violation of the 3  oaths. Does this make him a cult leader? (I'm just using this as an example, please no debate on this topic! I know the majority of Rabbanim held otherwise and I respect that.)

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #214 on: November 15, 2013, 12:03:15 PM »
@Yehuda S- its a good post, I just don't think it brought out every point that I made.

@jj- I agree, not everyone is meant for every school. But there is a large difference between not allowing internet and not allowing hair. One is worried about transgressing issurim, and the other is nothing more than a chumra.


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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #215 on: November 15, 2013, 12:04:00 PM »
Seriously, because hair is a beautiful feature of femininity. It is reserved for the husband. IMHO this makes a lot of sense.
And her face isn't beautiful and for her husband? I must admit I am more attracted to a woman's face than hair.

I'm just showing according to your logic, hair is a random thing that is for her husband, but so is the rest of her body, and that's not all covered.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #216 on: November 15, 2013, 12:07:09 PM »
Btw my wifes was taught that the reason why married women cover their hair is because now the hair is special only for the husband, and not for others. This explains how hair can all of a sudden turn into an erva.
I like this explanation, I wonder how the shavers/extreme coverers explain it.
As per how R' Cheikin taught us, that is a cutesy rational meant to make the Mitzvah more pleasant, but has no bearing to the actual observance of the Mitzvah, much like saying that keeping Kosher helps us stay healthy and keeping Taharas Hamishpachah helps our Shalom Bayis...

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #217 on: November 15, 2013, 12:08:10 PM »
I must admit I am more attracted to a woman's face than hair.
How about a poll?  :)
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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #218 on: November 15, 2013, 12:08:29 PM »
And her face isn't beautiful and for her husband? I must admit I am more attracted to a woman's face than hair.

I'm just showing according to your logic, hair is a random thing that is for her husband, but so is the rest of her body, and that's not all covered.

Hair is definitely something special- and it wasn't only Jewish women who covered their hair. In more modest times- a lady's hair was covered by hat and always neatly gathered or pinned up. "Letting your hair down" is an expression for a reason
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #219 on: November 15, 2013, 12:10:27 PM »
As per how R' Cheikin taught us, that is a cutesy rational meant to make the Mitzvah more pleasant, but has no bearing to the actual observance of the Mitzvah, much like saying that keeping Kosher helps us stay healthy and keeping Taharas Hamishpachah helps our Shalom Bayis...
First of all the the tanna R meir gives the rationale for taharas hamishpacah that it improves sholam bayis. (Also see the gemara about the bris being on the 8th day so that the parents can be happy also)
Second, noone has yet answered my question up thread as to why its ok for everything els to be revealed to the husband besides the hair...?

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #220 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
And her face isn't beautiful and for her husband? I must admit I am more attracted to a woman's face than hair.

I'm just showing according to your logic, hair is a random thing that is for her husband, but so is the rest of her body, and that's not all covered.
the rest of the body is covered excluding hands and face. There is not much left besides hair. Lets not discuss the berka cult, lol

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #221 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:59 PM »
First of all the the tanna R meir gives the rationale for taharas hamishpacah that it improves sholam bayis. (Also see the gemara about the bris being on the 8th day so that the parents can be happy also)
Second, noone has yet answered my question up thread as to why its ok for everything els to be revealed to the husband besides the hair...?

Because hands, face and feet are not ervah, whereas hair and the rest of the body is.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #222 on: November 15, 2013, 12:13:34 PM »
First of all the the tanna R meir gives the rationale for taharas hamishpacah that it improves sholam bayis. (Also see the gemara about the bris being on the 8th day so that the parents can be happy also)
But it's just that, a rationale, not the ultimate reason. If you find a couple whose Shalom Bayis is getting utterly ruined by keeping TM they still have to keep the Halachos and find a way to work around their issues.
Second, noone has yet answered my question up thread as to why its ok for everything els to be revealed to the husband besides the hair...?
It has been a few times that Al Pi Kaballah there is a special stringency in the hair.

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Re: &quot;Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head&quot;
« Reply #223 on: November 15, 2013, 12:13:51 PM »
Because hands, face and feet are not ervah, whereas hair and the rest of the body is.
Thats all he gets?  :-\

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #224 on: November 15, 2013, 12:14:31 PM »
@jj

I don't "believe" in minhagim, I follow them.

@Satmar Lady

My point could be one of two:
Either Satmars act as if it's a belief. Or if I was just nitpicking, it's that the satmars don't do enough to educate the difference between Jewish law and chumros. The fact that you called it a belief even though you agree it isn't, goes to show that you weren't clearly educated about the difference between the two.

Not knowing the difference causes ostricization.

Eta: I'm not anti satmar, and I've never before criticized a Satmar, since I've never never got to know them. I'm only responding based on the answers you give. I also completely respect the position on Eretz Yisrael even though I do not agree. Again, that's because there's a difference between chumros and real halachic positions.
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