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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #220 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
And her face isn't beautiful and for her husband? I must admit I am more attracted to a woman's face than hair.

I'm just showing according to your logic, hair is a random thing that is for her husband, but so is the rest of her body, and that's not all covered.
the rest of the body is covered excluding hands and face. There is not much left besides hair. Lets not discuss the berka cult, lol

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #221 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:59 PM »
First of all the the tanna R meir gives the rationale for taharas hamishpacah that it improves sholam bayis. (Also see the gemara about the bris being on the 8th day so that the parents can be happy also)
Second, noone has yet answered my question up thread as to why its ok for everything els to be revealed to the husband besides the hair...?

Because hands, face and feet are not ervah, whereas hair and the rest of the body is.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #222 on: November 15, 2013, 12:13:34 PM »
First of all the the tanna R meir gives the rationale for taharas hamishpacah that it improves sholam bayis. (Also see the gemara about the bris being on the 8th day so that the parents can be happy also)
But it's just that, a rationale, not the ultimate reason. If you find a couple whose Shalom Bayis is getting utterly ruined by keeping TM they still have to keep the Halachos and find a way to work around their issues.
Second, noone has yet answered my question up thread as to why its ok for everything els to be revealed to the husband besides the hair...?
It has been a few times that Al Pi Kaballah there is a special stringency in the hair.

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #223 on: November 15, 2013, 12:13:51 PM »
Because hands, face and feet are not ervah, whereas hair and the rest of the body is.
Thats all he gets?  :-\

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #224 on: November 15, 2013, 12:14:31 PM »
@jj

I don't "believe" in minhagim, I follow them.

@Satmar Lady

My point could be one of two:
Either Satmars act as if it's a belief. Or if I was just nitpicking, it's that the satmars don't do enough to educate the difference between Jewish law and chumros. The fact that you called it a belief even though you agree it isn't, goes to show that you weren't clearly educated about the difference between the two.

Not knowing the difference causes ostricization.

Eta: I'm not anti satmar, and I've never before criticized a Satmar, since I've never never got to know them. I'm only responding based on the answers you give. I also completely respect the position on Eretz Yisrael even though I do not agree. Again, that's because there's a difference between chumros and real halachic positions.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #225 on: November 15, 2013, 12:19:24 PM »
It has been a few times that Al Pi Kaballah there is a special stringency in the hair.

If hair is so stringent can you explain why they don't have to cover it until they marry, whereas the rest of the body must stay covered pre-marriage?
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #226 on: November 15, 2013, 12:24:45 PM »
Thats all he gets?  :-\
no, that's all every other man gets.

The husband gets everything besides for when she's not allowed
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #227 on: November 15, 2013, 12:25:49 PM »
I laugh every time I see kabbalah mentioned as a reason to be machmir by hair. You guys surely realize that there's a kabbalistic reason for every mitzvah, aveirah, halacha, every word of the torah , and etc.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #228 on: November 15, 2013, 12:27:06 PM »
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@Satmar Lady

My point could be one of two:
Either Satmars act as if it's a belief. Or if I was just nitpicking, it's that the satmars don't do enough to educate the difference between Jewish law and chumros. The fact that you called it a belief even though you agree it shouldn't be, goes to show that you weren't clearly educated about the difference between the two.

Not knowing the difference causes ostricization.

I wouldn't draw conclusions about someone's education from a word they used while hurriedly typing a response on Erev Shabbos. I alreadt gave you an example of Satmar beliefs, and then there are also chumros which I didn't mention. Good Shabbos for now, I gotta run fast

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #229 on: November 15, 2013, 12:28:03 PM »
If hair is so stringent can you explain why they don't have to cover it until they marry, whereas the rest of the body must stay covered pre-marriage?

That's why the more Tznius way is for single girls to wear their hair tied into a very neat braid. And I do remember learning that there is somebody who paskened (not current, of course) that even single girls should cover their hair. And many did- with bonnets and kerchiefs
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #230 on: November 15, 2013, 12:33:40 PM »
no, that's all every other man gets.

The husband gets everything besides for when she's not allowed
Somes husbands can't even see hair.

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #231 on: November 15, 2013, 12:35:39 PM »
I laugh every time I see kabbalah mentioned as a reason to be machmir by hair. You guys surely realize that there's a kabbalistic reason for every mitzvah, aveirah, halacha, every word of the torah , and etc.
And Al Pi Kaballah the negative aspects of woman's hair is different then the Erva aspects of the rest of her body (which are no different than the Erva aspects of a man's body).

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #232 on: November 15, 2013, 12:36:17 PM »
@Satmar Lady

Understood. Though I will still draw conclusions from what I read (unless there's an an explainable retraction, as you have shown).

Since most of us on the forums can not see each other, we can only respond based on the way we understand a post.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #233 on: November 15, 2013, 12:36:41 PM »
Somes husbands can't even see hair.

I'm pretty sure that's the women's own choice and not halacha.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #234 on: November 15, 2013, 12:38:55 PM »
I'm pretty sure that's the women's own choice and not halacha.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #235 on: November 15, 2013, 12:39:02 PM »
(which are no different than the Erva aspects of a man's body).

Not so- there are many things that are considered ervah by a woman and not man.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #236 on: November 15, 2013, 12:39:17 PM »
I'm pretty sure that's the women's own choice and not halacha.
Does the husband get a choice?

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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #237 on: November 15, 2013, 12:41:15 PM »
I'm pretty sure that's the women's own choice and not halacha.

That's not to say that she's not entitled to her own choices and doesn't have to be called a mindless cult member for choosing so.
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #238 on: November 15, 2013, 12:43:00 PM »
Does the husband get a choice?

It's not his to make- it's her hair!

It's like abortion rights ;)
Her body, her choice
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Re: "Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"
« Reply #239 on: November 15, 2013, 12:47:42 PM »
In my religion, the minhagim are determined by the husband.

If he dislikes her chumro, she has to stop it.
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