"Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head"

[CountValentine]

adolescent pimples can be very traumatizing...

...or maybe it is the anti-KKK.

[raphy781]

...or maybe it is the anti-KKK.

Now that is something I didn't think of.

[yehuda S]

Perhaps they're choosing to walk around that way in order to be modest? Huh, ever consider that?

I never considered that and I hope you are joking.

[Drago]

and I hope you are joking.

So do I

[yuneeq]

@Satmar Lady

You already agreed above that you do not know what's going on in KJ. So why do you keep trying to disprove the basis of the article which was written by a woman from KJ?

I'm not saying she's right, but if you are trying to show that other satmar communities aren't necessarily like KJ, that's OK, just don't be misleading about it.

[Satmar Lady]

Again, so why not ban those items and require a full sheitel?

I think that would be harder than requiring the shave. Comfort reasons.

[Satmar Lady]

@satmar lady: can I guess, your school isn't in ky or Monroe, etc, rather a smaller place, maybe in a neighborhood with a healthy mix of different level of Jews?

Not KJ, as I've written before, but absolutely strictly Satmar (pretty much spelled it out). Again, we do have our drop-outs, and perhaps more than other circles because of our less authoritarian nature, but not completely irreligious.

I don't know what percentile Satmar is of the ultra-orthodox community, but in relation to all chasidus (besides Chabad) - an acquaintance tried marketing a textbook for Yiddish speaking students, and according to her estimate Satmar comprises half of the Chassidish students in NY.

So I just looked back at the OTD's discussed in JS (maybe I missed some), and this is what I found:
Pearl Reich isn't Satmar to my knowledge, her father is an independent "Rebbele".
Her boyfriend Shauly was Klausenburg.
Ari Mandel went to Vien Cheder, most likely not Satmar.
Shmarya from FM I was pretty sure was Chabad, but Dan questioned it and now I'm not sure myself. But not Satmar!
Then there's this new book being discussed, authored by a former Yeshivish woman.
Deborah Feldman was Satmar, but her mother wasn't and she went to Vien school as a young child.
Leaves us with this woman, who probably is real Satmar, living in KJ.

[yehuda S]

So I just looked back at the OTD's discussed in JS (maybe I missed some), and this is what I found:
Pearl Reich isn't Satmar to my knowledge, her father is an independent "Rebbele".
Her boyfriend Shauly was Klausenburg.
Ari Mandel went to Vien Cheder, most likely not Satmar.
Shmarya from FM I was pretty sure was Chabad, but Dan questioned it and now I'm not sure myself. But not Satmar!
Then there's this new book being discussed, authored by a former Yeshivish woman.
Deborah Feldman was Satmar, but her mother wasn't and she went to Vien school as a young child.
Leaves us with this woman, who probably is real Satmar, living in KJ.

Wow. This is a pretty comprehensive list!
Can someone add it to the topic wiki? :-)))

[Satmar Lady]

@Satmar Lady

You already agreed above that you do not know what's going on in KJ. So why do you keep trying to disprove the basis of the article which was written by a woman from KJ?

I'm not saying she's right, but if you are trying to show that other satmar communities aren't necessarily like KJ, that's OK, just don't be misleading about it.

If you're following the discussion, I'm not disproving the basis of the article but discussing shaving as a minhag, and Satmar's OTD rate. Perhaps slightly off topic you might say.
KJ is 1 out of the many Satmar communities, in Williamsburg, Boro Park, Monsey, Lakewood, London, Manchester, Antwerp, Buenos Aires, Jerusalem,  Bnei Brak, Beit Shemesh and maybe more - only listing communities that have educational institutions, not just a Shul.
And in KJ itself there's a full-fledged community of the opposition - big shul, girls' and boys' schools. So when  posters mention Satmar, I'm assuming they don't mean just KJ and I'm responding accordingly.

[yuneeq]

If you're following the discussion, I'm not disproving the basis of the article but discussing shaving as a minhag, and Satmar's OTD rate. Perhaps slightly off topic you might say.
KJ is 1 out of the many Satmar communities, in Williamsburg, Boro Park, Monsey, Lakewood, London, Manchester, Antwerp, Buenos Aires, Jerusalem,  Bnei Brak, Beit Shemesh and maybe more - only listing communities that have educational institutions, not just a Shul.
And in KJ itself there's a full-fledged community of the opposition - big shul, girls' and boys' schools. So when  posters mention Satmar, I'm assuming they don't mean just KJ and I'm responding accordingly.

I'm following the discussion all right.
You just need to be clearer and stop pretending like you don't understand what people are taking about.

[meshugener]

Unique, you know I don't like thae satmars too much, but now I think you're just smoking water.

What do you want from her? She explains everything very nice and clear.

[bobthebuilder]

are there any CC that give free shaitels oppening bonus?  (Shaver included)

[yuneeq]

Unique, you know I don't like thae satmars too much, but now I think you're just smoking water.

What do you want from her? She explains everything very nice and clear.

I already stated what I wanted. For her to be clear. If you think otherwise, that's your opinion.

She defend Satmar nicely, but things get murky when she responds misleadingly. Some people said that if the mikve ladies wouldn't let the woman dip or they snitch on her then there's something wrong with the community. She responds that it doesn't happen/never heard of it, implying this woman is making up her story. But she fails to note that she is talking about a different place than KJ. The story is about KJ so without clarification her response is misleading.

[Satmar Lady]

I already stated what I wanted. For her to be clear. If you think otherwise, that's your opinion.

She defend Satmar nicely, but things get murky when she responds misleadingly. Some people said that if the mikve ladies wouldn't let the woman dip or they snitch on her then there's something wrong with the community. She responds that it doesn't happen/never heard of it, implying this woman is making up her story. But she fails to note that she is talking about a different place than KJ. The story is about KJ so without clarification her response is misleading.

That was then, and I already made myself clear since then regarding where I'm coming from, but now you asked something else - that I should stop commenting altogether on this topic, since I'm not from KJ and am not familiar with the basis of the article. Nothing to do with clarity - it was very clear that  I responded  only on slightly off-topics, and was careful not to argue about anything I'm not familiar with first-hand. 
FYI, the reason I originally wasn't clear enough is that being a good Satmar girl, my filter blocks news sites (don't worry - I'm pretty up to date with all I want to know through Orthodox newspapers.) so I didn't read the actual article, just answered posters' questions on the topic. I didn't know she was from KJ until I was notified.
Thanks, Meshugener, for sticking up for me. And to all of you in the DDF "community", as Dan calls it: I'm impressed. Besides for this lone poster, who obviously has a hard time digesting the fact that I don't sound like a mindless cult member, you are all extremely respectful and ask your questions with no evident intent "l'kanter". Being used to being a ridiculed Satmar, I didn't expect this. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all of klal yisroel would be like you?

[yuneeq]

but now you asked something else - that I should stop commenting altogether on this topic

Funny, I don't remember telling you to stop commenting. I actually enjoyed reading your comments (as I have noted, you have defended satmar nicely).

You can get all offended if you'd like, yet I'm still allowed to state that some of your comments were misleading to me. Yes, I thought you read the article, and yes I thought you were discussing the topic at hand. I accepted your clarification a while ago so let's just end it here.

[aygart]

so let's just end it here.

That may be a good idea about the general topic as well

[yuneeq]

Agreed.

I don't think anyone will shed new light on this situation.

[CountValentine]

I don't think anyone will shed new light on this situation.

That should have been the second post in this thread.

[jj1000]

That should be stickied on the internet.

FTFY

[Myccrabbi]

That should have been the second post in this thread.

+1000