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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2013, 12:45:51 PM »
Did you ask a competent posek about it? I did and he said it's pashut mutar. Whether you should or not he wasn't as sure about but thought it is definitely a nice thing to do
yes more than one. Nice thing? it's a questionable doraisa and he calls it a nice thing? What I was told by numerous poskim was that the only heter is if it is possible to lead to chillul hashem (which this case does have that potential) AND you make a kiddush hashem

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2013, 12:49:35 PM »
yes more than one. Nice thing? it's a questionable doraisa and he calls it a nice thing? What I was told by numerous poskim was that the only heter is if it is possible to lead to chillul hashem (which this case does have that potential) AND you make a kiddush hashem
Did you read my post. He said it was pashut mutar, not a questionable d'oraisa
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2013, 12:52:53 PM »
Did you read my post. He said it was pashut mutar, not a questionable d'oraisa
I said it's a questionable doraisa lo sechanem look up the rambam and shulchsn aruch it's quite clear I don't understand how he can say it is pashut mutar

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2013, 01:06:22 PM »
Did you read my post. He said it was pashut mutar, not a questionable d'oraisa
Well looks like the shulchsn aruch is mechulek with him.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2013, 01:34:12 PM »
officially he was guided by R' Shmuel Kamenetzky
Awesome!  ;D

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2013, 01:35:01 PM »
@ergel
Maybe your rav is a very lenient posek, I look for machmir when it comes to these shailos.
Its very chamur ;)
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2013, 01:44:15 PM »
I said it's a questionable doraisa lo sechanem look up the rambam and shulchsn aruch it's quite clear I don't understand how he can say it is pashut mutar

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2013, 01:46:43 PM »
bet ya the lady that claimed it was an inheritance wasnt b.s.ing and had no idea it was there

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2013, 01:57:04 PM »
did anybody see an interview with the woman? i cant imagine shes too happy with the story getting out...

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2013, 02:00:29 PM »
did anybody see an interview with the woman? i cant imagine shes too happy with the story getting out...
She can return the money...

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2013, 02:02:30 PM »
She can return the money...
im referring to the cash aspect. that kind of cash hanging around especially when she claims inheritance can raise some flags

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2013, 02:05:08 PM »
im referring to the cash aspect. that kind of cash hanging around especially when she claims inheritance can raise some flags
Was thinking that, also imagine her integrity and what this did to her image. If my friends knew I misplaced $98K I don't think people would trust me with a penny ever again, nor should they.
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2013, 02:10:15 PM »
I would hold on to the money while I do some research on the seller, their financial situation etc. And lot's of soul searching, on what's the right thing to do, for myself, for my family, and how much the seller is going to miss that money. In general, someone who misplaces $98K, it's not worth to them that much.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2013, 02:17:10 PM »
im referring to the cash aspect. that kind of cash hanging around especially when she claims inheritance can raise some flags
Yup, IRS gonna want some

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
In general, someone who misplaces $98K, it's not worth to them that much.
That may make sense, but I'm not sure why you think it's true.
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »
Yup, IRS gonna want some

The estate tax is currently capped at $5,000,000.

I don't think they are going to bother her.
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2013, 02:34:15 PM »
Well are you a rabbi?
If I know what the Rambam, Tur, Shulchan Aruch etc. say on a topic does that make me a Rabbi? Or are only Rabbis supposed to know what they say? Get a life troll >:(

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2013, 02:40:23 PM »
If I know what the Rambam, Tur, Shulchan Aruch etc. say on a topic does that make me a Rabbi? Or are only Rabbis supposed to know what they say? Get a life troll >:(
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2013, 02:45:54 PM »
The estate tax is currently capped at $5,000,000.

I don't think they are going to bother her.
are you referring to the 5mil exemption?

either way, i dont think its relevant

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2013, 02:50:32 PM »
Fyi- he video'd himself calling the owner, he contacted the news agencies, he posed for a picture with the cash and the desk, he spoke at the agudah convention.

I'm pretty sure he's on top of that.

He has his own "derech" of doing things ( :P)
For anyone really questioning whether in this specific case it was muttar to return it, this is exactly why it for sure was muttar (and in fact it was 'praiseworthy'). By returning the money in this manner, he made sure he fell squarely within the bounds set forth by the Shulchan Aruch:
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ואם החזירה לקדש את השם כדי שיפארו את ישראל וידעו שהם בעלי אמונה הרי זה משובח