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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2013, 06:46:32 PM »
Decided to chazer the sugya a bit, think this Rashi is a lesson for us all

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2013, 07:12:39 PM »
Saw the rashi last week. The only thing I don't get is that isn't hashavas aveida a mitzvah sichlis?
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #102 on: November 19, 2013, 07:17:20 PM »
Saw the rashi last week. The only thing I don't get is that isn't hashavas aveida a mitzvah sichlis?
And you understand the difference of before yiush and after yiush? I'm slowly starting to agree with your Rabbi I will 2x check with mine I may have been confusing aveidah with tzedakah

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM »
im sure all of you heard about a similar maseh with a yungerman in torah v'daas years ago where bank mistakenly put an extra 70,000+ in his acct. he went to rav pam and rav pam told him that "M'ikar hadin you do not have to return it. But is it your money"


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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2013, 12:35:58 PM »
"M'ikar hadin you do not have to return it. But is it your money"
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2013, 12:38:22 PM »
There's a story out there with R M feinstein. Can't recall if it was Rubin Schron or Ralph Hertzka.
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2013, 12:46:48 PM »
im sure all of you heard about a similar maseh with a yungerman in torah v'daas years ago where bank mistakenly put an extra 70,000+ in his acct. he went to rav pam and rav pam told him that "M'ikar hadin you do not have to return it. But is it your money"
That's a bit different since it was taos slim. IIRC he did call up and they told him to keep it

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2013, 12:56:10 PM »
I heard about a story in Toronto where a yungerman realized the bank made a mistake on his mortgage balance in the 10's of thousands and R' Shlomo Miller basically told him to let the bank know, and he got nothing out of it.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2013, 01:11:48 PM »
and he got nothing out of it.
but he made a kidush Hashem!
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2013, 01:25:12 PM »
but he made a kidush Hashem!
Yup. I just meant in contrast to some of these other stories where somehow the bank or whoever decides to let the person keep the money.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2013, 03:19:29 AM »
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2013, 08:41:49 AM »
Why is this story different than the story of Yosef moker shabbos?
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2013, 10:55:39 AM »
Why is this story different than the story of Yosef moker shabbos?
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #113 on: November 25, 2013, 11:05:53 AM »
Why is this story different than the story of Yosef moker shabbos?
Shayach to say that Yosef M"Sh didn't know (and had no way to find out) who it belonged to.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #114 on: November 25, 2013, 09:12:13 PM »
I would consult with my Rav before making any moves. I am aware that "sha'alos macht treif", but I just would not be at peace with myself.

I personally would be nervous. What if the woman or her family suspects that the money was in the desk? What if they come after me or my family for it?

This whole story is very strange. Who "misplaces" 100k in cash? Sounds to me like the money was intentionally hidden there by someone, probably NOT the woman, but a relative dealing drugs.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #115 on: November 26, 2013, 09:28:07 AM »
עיין בגמ' בבא קמא קיג ב
תניא ר' פנחס בן יאיר אומר במקום שיש חילול השם אפי' אבידתו אסור

היינו שאם יש חילול השם אסור לקחת אבידתו וידוע הסיפור כשקנה מא"י חמור ונצא אבל יקר עליו והחזיר ועשה קידוש השם
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #116 on: November 26, 2013, 09:30:48 AM »
עיין בגמ' בבא קמא קיג ב
תניא ר' פנחס בן יאיר אומר במקום שיש חילול השם אפי' אבידתו אסור

היינו שאם יש חילול השם אסור לקחת אבידתו וידוע הסיפור כשקנה מא"י חמור ונצא אבל יקר עליו והחזיר ועשה קידוש השם
There are quite a few stories in Gemarah about Tanaim/Amoraim that returned things to Goyim...

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2013, 03:15:39 PM »
I heard about a story in Toronto where a yungerman realized the bank made a mistake on his mortgage balance in the 10's of thousands and R' Shlomo Miller basically told him to let the bank know, and he got nothing out of it.
Not going to jail is nothing by you?
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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2013, 03:22:59 PM »
Not going to jail is nothing by you?
That's not what would happen. At worst, they'd increase your monthly payment to recoup the difference over the course of the mortgage term. And even that would not necessarily be the case depending on where in the process the mistake originated.

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Re: what would you do if you found 98k in a desk from craigs?
« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2013, 04:19:33 PM »
That's not what would happen. At worst, they'd increase your monthly payment to recoup the difference over the course of the mortgage term. And even that would not necessarily be the case depending on where in the process the mistake originated.
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There was an article posted in the interesting article thread months ago about someone who had extra cash deposited into his account and spent and was charged with larceny
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