Violent Curriculum in Kindergarten

[elikay]

There is nothing wrong with an honest and intelligent discussion. The one thing I really don't like about this thread, is the title. It is extremely negative, as was the beginning of this thread. It has somewhat recovered by now..

[yitzf]

Nope, just a rumor I heard. Most do skip Kesubos daf tes though right?

not IME.

[hocker]

Nope, just a rumor I heard. Most do skip Kesubos daf tes though right?

I'm surprised you would but into something that stupid. Regarding Kesubos I believe every Yeshiva, grade and teacher is different, but I believe some places start on Daf 18. Which isn't such a bad idea for 9th graders.

[Achas Veachas]

IIRC in Shiur Alef (a.k.a. 9th grade) we started at Daf 22

[churnbabychurn]

I'm surprised you would but into something that stupid. Regarding Kesubos I believe every Yeshiva, grade and teacher is different, but I believe some places start on Daf 18. Which isn't such a bad idea for 9th graders.

your saying its not true? Are you familiar with chasidishe yeshivos?

[meshugener]

Yes, he's familiar with chassidishe yeshivos and its not true IME.

some yeshivos skip most till after DAF 9 because its not yeshivishe stuff.

[MarkS]

Yes, he's familiar with chassidishe yeshivos and its not true IME.

some yeshivos skip most till after DAF 9 because its not yeshivishe stuff.

You kidding me? Pesach Pasuach is what we spent a long time in 9th grade learning. Quite a lot of lomdus in there and quite elaborated on in the 'yeshivishe velt'.

[Achas Veachas]

You kidding me? Pesach Pasuach is what we spent a long time in 9th grade learning. Quite a lot of lomdus in there and quite elaborated on in the 'yeshivishe velt'.

Maybe his R'M told him that was the reason...

[meshugener]

Sorry, we did learn pesach pesuach but not all the sheva bruches stuff etc

[AnonymousUser]

Nope, just a rumor I heard. Most do skip Kesubos daf tes though right?

I know of one chassidishe yeshiva which skips it, they just read the words so they can make a siyum.

[shmuelb]

Maybe Chagas skips it but not Chabad? Anyone here who learnt daf tes in high school was in a Chagas yeshiva?

The one thing I really don't like about this thread, is the title. It is extremely negative

+1

[Achas Veachas]

Maybe Chagas skips it but not Chabad? Anyone here who learnt daf tes in high school was in a Chagas yeshiva?+1

I learned in Chabad and we skipped it...

[aygart]

There is a difference between choosing to learn a different sugya which may be more appropriate and distorting what was learned. There is no reason that gemora nida or other more explicit sugyas need to be learned before shnayim ochzim. On the other hand if there is a bochur who learned the rest of shas why shouldn't he learn nida as well. Tzadikim yelchu bum uposhim yicoshlu bum

[churnbabychurn]

There is a difference between choosing to learn a different sugya which may be more appropriate and distorting what was learned. There is no reason that gemora nida or other more explicit sugyas need to be learned before shnayim ochzim. On the other hand if there is a bochur who learned the rest of shas why shouldn't he learn nida as well. Tzadikim yelchu bum uposhim yicoshlu bum

repost. The Chazon ish guaranteed that it can't cause harm.

[Baruch]

Sorry, we did learn pesach pesuach but not all the sheva bruches stuff etc

BTW, the sheva brachos stuff is pretty lomdish too. FYI, pesach pesuach is on Daf tes.

I once heard a story that a rebbe criticized a rosh yeshiva that they learn pesach pasuach, The RY told the rebbe that when he (the Rebbe), says pesach pasuach he (the Rebbe) thinks of a open oso makom, when the RY's bachurim say pesach pasuach, they think of a sfek sfeika.

[Crazy tools]

BTW, the sheva brachos stuff is pretty lomdish too. FYI, pesach pesuach is on Daf tes.

I once heard a story that a rebbe criticized a rosh yeshiva that they learn pesach pasuach, The RY told the rebbe that when he (the Rebbe), says pesach pasuach he (the Rebbe) thinks of a open oso makom, when the RY's bachurim say pesach pasuach, they think of a sfek sfeika.

[Dan]

Didn't skip in 11th grade at YAT PIT.

[meshugener]

BTW, the sheva brachos stuff is pretty lomdish too. FYI, pesach pesuach is on Daf tes.

I once heard a story that a rebbe criticized a rosh yeshiva that they learn pesach pasuach, The RY told the rebbe that when he (the Rebbe), says pesach pasuach he (the Rebbe) thinks of a open oso makom, when the RY's bachurim say pesach pasuach, they think of a sfek sfeika.

Like!...

Yes, could be that's on DAF tes, its been a while since we learned it in yeshiva (around 6 years ago) so I don't remember exactly which DAF is what.
All I know is we skipped some pages (and my R"Y told us to learn it when you have extra time) that wasn't yeshivishe stuff.

Maybe other yeshivos are different, I didn't
 learn in a satmar
 Yeshiva, I don't know what they do.

What's so lomdish about the sheva bruches gemoro?

[Achas Veachas]

So from violent curriculum in kindergarten we moved to adult curriculum in yeshiva...

[meshugener]

Who cares?
Better than counting numbers in your stupid thread.