Violent Curriculum in Kindergarten

[Baruch]

Like!...

Yes, could be that's on DAF tes, its been a while since we learned it in yeshiva (around 6 years ago) so I don't remember exactly which DAF is what.
All I know is we skipped some pages (and my R"Y told us to learn it when you have extra time) that wasn't yeshivishe stuff.

Maybe other yeshivos are different, I didn't
 learn in a satmar
 Yeshiva, I don't know what they do.

What's so lomdish about the sheva bruches gemoro?

Open any lomdishe sefer on kesubos, there's tons of stuff on it. I believe Rav Nisan Kaplan has a whole sefer on that sugya, I think it's called Birchas chasanim.

[Ergel]

Who cares?
Better than counting numbers in your stupid thread.

+100000

[Ergel]

Open any lomdishe sefer on kesubos, there's tons of stuff on it. I believe Rav Nisan Kaplan has a whole sefer on that sugya, I think it's called Birchas chasanim.

Correct but it's definitely not the yeshivish part of the mesechta or broad shas lamdus

[meshugener]

@baruch
Come on, do you think its worth spending time on that on the expense of sfek sfeikeh and othe sugyos in Kesubos?

[churnbabychurn]

Every single sugiya in shas has lomdus in it. In some sugiyas the lomdus is more accessible and teachable. This is why these sugiyas are taught to talmidim.

[meshugener]

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[Baruch]

Every single sugiya in shas has lomdus in it. In some sugiyas the lomdus is more accessible and teachable. This is why these sugiyas are taught to talmidim.

In the hakdama to Chidushei Rav Chaim, The Brisker Rav wrote something to the tune of that Rav Chaim talks about the "Sugyos Hachamuros Bashas", legend has it that the Chazon Ish was magiah on the side "Adayin lo matzasi sugya she'eino chamura".

[aygart]

+100000

+100001;D

[Baruch]

+100001;D

Great post!

[Mtrasb]

I've always felt uncomfortable with the censorship of the violent and gory parts of the Torah when teaching kids.

From the child's perspective, everything is either black or white - eisav and shechem are bad while yaakov and Shimon and Levi are good.

They don't need to justify and rationalize things as much as adults who see the nuances. Thus this childish simplistic view is actually very conducive to the study of these stories.

That being said, I am still amused when I recall seeing a 4 year old girl playing with mentchy figurines and when one of them was perceived as a burglar she picked up an old phone and promptly "called the police" suggesting that they arrest this man and "throw him in a fire".

Biblical punishments aren't as disturbing as they may sound to us...

[ah giten]

Some threads are better under the rug...

[Mtrasb]

Regarding certain Yeshivos omitting different parts of kesubos, I believe that it is ok to choose to shtel on a different sugya and it might not be ideal for yeshiva bachurim to learn it b'iyun.

But when going though the masechta in its entirety it rings very wrong to deliberately skip selected pieces. After all, Torah is a "Sam hachaim" when learned correctly it cannot do any wrong.

(Unless it is being taught to a very young age - but how many that fit this category of immaturity are learning a whole masechta anyways?)

Besides, perhaps it is better that today's early teens get their information from such sources and not other easily accessible filth.

[aygart]

Regarding certain Yeshivos omitting different parts of kesubos, I believe that it is ok to choose to shtel on a different sugya and it might not be ideal for yeshiva bachurim to learn it b'iyun.

But when going though the masechta in its entirety it rings very wrong to deliberately skip selected pieces. After all, Torah is a "Sam hachaim" when learned correctly it cannot do any wrong.

(Unless it is being taught to a very young age - but how many that fit this category of immaturity are learning a whole masechta anyways?)

Besides, perhaps it is better that today's early teens get their information from such sources and not other easily accessible filth.

There are a number of tshuvos Noda Biyehuda on hilchos nidda written to a bochur.

[Randomex]

Who cares?
Better than counting numbers in your stupid thread.

I suppose this thread was intended?