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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #225 on: September 12, 2018, 10:09:13 AM »

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #226 on: September 12, 2018, 10:21:12 AM »
7:45 -1:10 with an hour brake. (No Kiddush just coffee, learning)
Ger
that seems surprisingly fast? is there no singing? is this Ger in israel?

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #227 on: September 12, 2018, 10:26:29 AM »
that seems surprisingly fast? is there no singing? is this Ger in israel?
it's pretty quick
a lot of singing
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #228 on: September 12, 2018, 02:44:52 PM »
7:45-1:35

Small, more to the right MO shul in NJ.

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #229 on: September 12, 2018, 02:49:59 PM »
7:45-1:35

Small, more to the right MO shul in NJ.
"more to the right"?

Also I found out that everyone has a different opinion on who's/what's MO.


While we're at it, small is relative.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #230 on: September 12, 2018, 02:51:45 PM »
"more to the right"?

Also I found out that everyone has a different opinion on who's/what's MO.


While we're at it, small is relative.

Rabbi is a Rosh Yeshiva at YU but shul has a more Yeshivish vibe than average.

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #231 on: September 12, 2018, 02:52:20 PM »
7:45 -1:10 with an hour brake. (No Kiddush just coffee, learning)
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How can there be coffee after Shacharis without Kiddush?

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #232 on: September 12, 2018, 02:58:06 PM »
How can there be coffee after Shacharis without Kiddush?
ok so he meant no kiddush food
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #233 on: September 12, 2018, 03:10:28 PM »
How can there be coffee after Shacharis without Kiddush?
Maybe he meant no kiddush food?
FTFY. And the answer would be no I didn't mean that.

There is no Kiddush involved. TBH I'm not exactly sure why its allowed* but its the way i was brought up.
Probably why we stick to שהכל
IIRC it's because laining is whats mechayev you to hear Kiddush.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #234 on: September 12, 2018, 03:13:02 PM »
I have coffee before davening but your talking about before shofar?
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #235 on: September 12, 2018, 03:13:57 PM »
I have coffee before davening but your talking about before shofar?
yes, the break is right after Shachris on both Shabbos and YT including RH.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #236 on: September 12, 2018, 03:17:16 PM »
FTFY. And the answer would be no I didn't mean that.

There is no Kiddush involved. TBH I'm not exactly sure why its allowed* but its the way i was brought up.
Probably why we stick to שהכל
IIRC it's because laining is whats mechayev you to hear Kiddush.
Will find out exactly iyh
thanks!
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #237 on: September 12, 2018, 03:35:37 PM »


IIRC it's because laining is whats mechayev you to hear Kiddush.

That's a machlokes, I won't speak more as I don't know much more,  but it makes sense that they are taking that opinion.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #238 on: September 12, 2018, 04:08:32 PM »
IIRC it's because laining is whats mechayev you to hear Kiddush.

So there was no Kiddush before Takanas Ezra to Lain on Shabbos? And somebody who doesn't hear laining isn't mechuyav in kiddish?


I think the רא״ש says since eating before Shachris is prohibited, the chiyuv to make kiddish is prior to ones meal and therefore only begins when it is the time of eating after davening. I believe it is unclear why (if) women can eat before davening without kiddish even though they are not mechuyav in Shachris and therefore obviously not prohibited to eat prior.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #239 on: September 12, 2018, 08:28:12 PM »
So there was no Kiddush before Takanas Ezra to Lain on Shabbos? And somebody who doesn't hear laining isn't mechuyav in kiddish?


I think the רא״ש says since eating before Shachris is prohibited, the chiyuv to make kiddish is prior to ones meal and therefore only begins when it is the time of eating after davening. I believe it is unclear why (if) women can eat before davening without kiddish even though they are not mechuyav in Shachris and therefore obviously not prohibited to eat prior.
...and since you also cant (officially) really eat much between shacharis & musaf (not more than k'beitza of mezonos etc) some opinions hold that the "mokom seuda" can only happen after musaf and thats when chiyuv kidush starts.
a coffee before shacharis doesnt require kidush accordimg to most (all?) opinios.
ladies should not eat after the minyan reaches whatever point is considered chiyuv kidush