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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #300 on: September 27, 2022, 10:47:31 PM »
+1 there Yom kippur break must be 4 hours!
this is pretty fast even compared to other chabad Shul’s, mine finished about 2:30-3:00.
Yom kippur about two hour break depends on the year.

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #301 on: September 27, 2022, 10:48:35 PM »
this is pretty fast even compared to other chabad Shul’s, mine finished about 2:30-3:00.
That sounds slow to me. Do you have slow chazanim or what takes that much time?
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #302 on: September 27, 2022, 10:49:21 PM »
Obviously no need for a break. Would be interesting to compare a Chabad Machzor to ours to see the differences.

IINM Chabad is the only Ashkenazi sect that doesn't skip anything in the machzor. It just doesn't have a lot of the extras in the first place.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #303 on: September 27, 2022, 10:50:10 PM »
IINM Chabad is the only Ashkenazi sect that doesn't skip anything in the machzor. It just doesn't have a lot of the extras in the first place.
770 davening times this year?
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2022, 10:51:12 PM »
IINM Chabad is the only Ashkenazi sect that doesn't skip anything in the machzor. It just doesn't have a lot of the extras in the first place.

What do you mean, it's the Chabad press that skipped those? ;)

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #305 on: September 27, 2022, 10:52:07 PM »
770 davening times this year?

IINM ended around 2:45 on the first day. 2:30 second day. But I could be off by up to 10 minutes, didn't check the clock at the exact time.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #306 on: September 27, 2022, 10:53:14 PM »
What do you mean, it's the Chabad press that skipped those? ;)

Ask @jj1000 he seems to be the expert on cutting out parts.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #307 on: September 27, 2022, 10:57:19 PM »
Ask @jj1000 he seems to be the expert on cutting out parts.

The truth is that with finishing 2:45 like in 770 then it isn't suppose to be any cuts at all, some nusach changes can make up that difference.

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #309 on: September 28, 2022, 12:19:39 AM »
IINM Chabad is the only Ashkenazi sect that doesn't skip anything in the machzor. It just doesn't have a lot of the extras in the first place.
I think skver doesn't either
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #310 on: September 28, 2022, 12:21:53 AM »
IINM Chabad is the only Ashkenazi sect that doesn't skip anything in the machzor. It just doesn't have a lot of the extras in the first place.
That is very easy when you print your own machzor.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #311 on: September 28, 2022, 12:31:37 AM »
Most people afaik don't say the whole machzor. If so why do they print everything in machzorim? I still have no idea how people decide which piyutim to say (and remember which ones too). I heard that anything that wasn't composed by r Eleazar hakalir people don't say?
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #312 on: September 28, 2022, 12:33:46 AM »


I heard that anything that wasn't composed by r Eleazar hakalir people don't say?
This is definitely not the case. I think everyone says Unsane tokef
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #313 on: September 28, 2022, 12:37:40 AM »
Most people afaik don't say the whole machzor. If so why do they print everything in machzorim? I still have no idea how people decide which piyutim to say (and remember which ones too).

The yekkes say a lot. IINM in Vien shuls they say Marrovis.

I heard that anything that wasn't composed by r Eleazar hakalir people don't say?

I don't think this even makes sense, so much that he didn't compose. Did you ever hear of anyone skipping ונתנה תוקף?

Eta Aygart beat me to it

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #314 on: September 28, 2022, 01:48:08 AM »
https://www.kikar.co.il/hasidism/428120


בחסידות צאנז סיימו את התפילות ביום א' דראש השנה בשעה 18:25, וביום השני בשעה 18:05.

Trying to understand what I'm missing? How does davening end at 6+?

Is there a seuda?

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #315 on: September 28, 2022, 07:25:49 AM »
https://www.kikar.co.il/hasidism/428120


בחסידות צאנז סיימו את התפילות ביום א' דראש השנה בשעה 18:25, וביום השני בשעה 18:05.

Trying to understand what I'm missing? How does davening end at 6+?

Is there a seuda?
No seuda. There's a short break for kiddush and then back for Mincha.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #316 on: September 28, 2022, 08:40:24 AM »
No seuda. There's a short break for kiddush and then back for Mincha.

Hu? There is a chiyuv to wash and make a seuda. Even those who finish very late are making a (late quick) seuda of course.

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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #317 on: September 28, 2022, 09:00:37 AM »
The truth is that with finishing 2:45 like in 770 then it isn't suppose to be any cuts at all, some nusach changes can make up that difference.

We don't skip anything in the machzor, but then there are things that are not printed in the machzor..

There are also things upon which we don't need @jj1000 to wield an axe, we have הגבלה עצמית (which IMHO is a core part of Yiddishkeit and Chassidus).
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #318 on: September 29, 2022, 07:20:04 PM »
The yekkes say a lot. IINM in Vien shuls they say Marrovis.

The yekke Machzor actually has less than the regular one, but they just say all of it. Same for Yom Tov.
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Re: Rosh Hashana davening...
« Reply #319 on: September 30, 2022, 12:47:01 AM »
Most people afaik don't say the whole machzor. If so why do they print everything in machzorim? I still have no idea how people decide which piyutim to say (and remember which ones too). I heard that anything that wasn't composed by r Eleazar hakalir people don't say?
the gerrer rebbe was once asked by a chassid, "there are so many things in the machzor we don't say. Why don't we just print a new machzor that only includes what we say?" He responded, " And take away the Simcha a Yid gets when he skips a page of davening?"