Author Topic: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread  (Read 343248 times)

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #280 on: December 18, 2014, 10:08:22 PM »
http://cor.ca/assets/static/node/201409/files/541/RH.web2.pdf

"There has been much discussion and debate regarding the kosher status of scotch whiskeys that are aged in wine/sherry casks. Scotch whiskey, by definition1, contains only kosher ingredients. Notwithstanding, the spirit must be aged in an oak barrel for a minimum of three years. Scotch manufacturers generally reuse barrels that were previously used to store alcoholic beverages such as sherry, cognac, bourbon, rum or beer. The kashrut concern raised by the use of sherry or wine barrels is that the absorbed wine is almost certainly stam yaynom which is not kosher. Halachik clarification was required to determine whether or not this non-kosher taste that is absorbed in the barrel could render the Scotch as non-kosher.

COR has taken interest in clarifying this matter since it is apparent that many leading Rabbanim in our community are of the opinion that scotch aged in sherry casks is permitted for consumption. Over the last several years, COR has consulted with several industry and kashrut experts in an effort to research the involved issues and formulate a position on its halachik status.

COR further consulted with our community’s Rabbanim; including Rav Dovid Schochet shlit”a, President of the Vaad HaRabbonim and Rav Shlomo Miller shlit”a, Rosh Bais Din of Kollel Toronto amongst other leading Rabbanim, as well as COR’s Rabbinical Vaad Hakashruth. In light of the conclusions of our research and according to the guidance of our Rabbinical Vaad Hakashruth, COR policy will now allow the use of scotches aged in sherry casks at COR-certified venues and events. This policy applies only to scotch and not to other types of whiskey which may involve other halachik complexities including non-kosher wine or glycerin which can be mixed into the whiskey recipe.

Throughout the next several months, Mashgichim who supervise events that are using scotch aged in sherry casks will post signage at the bar indicating the status of the scotch."
not a new shaila Reb Moshe Feinstien zt"l held it was not a problem. bigger problem is the bourbon/chametz issue. it doesnt seem like there is any easy out of that one

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #281 on: December 19, 2014, 08:51:42 AM »
not a new shaila Reb Moshe Feinstien zt"l held it was not a problem. bigger problem is the bourbon/chametz issue. it doesnt seem like there is any easy out of that one

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #282 on: December 19, 2014, 09:00:54 AM »
not a new shaila Reb Moshe Feinstien zt"l held it was not a problem. bigger problem is the bourbon/chametz issue. it doesnt seem like there is any easy out of that one
No one said it was new. Just that this was the first kashrus organization to follow that shita.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #283 on: December 19, 2014, 09:07:09 AM »
Has anyone done the legwork to find out if Fireball Whisky is acceptable?

I never bothered to find out because it doesn't really interest me but a few people have asked me about this recently.

Not that it's any proof but a kosher place in monsey sells it

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #284 on: December 19, 2014, 09:07:46 AM »
bigger problem is the bourbon/chametz issue.
elaborate?

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #285 on: December 19, 2014, 09:20:21 AM »
elaborate?

I may be wrong but I think he's referring to the issue some people have with jewish distributors who don't sell their chometz

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #286 on: December 19, 2014, 09:33:50 AM »
I may be wrong but I think he's referring to the issue some people have with jewish distributors who don't sell their chometz
if its a distribution issue, why specifically bourbon? are there more jewish bourbon distributors than scotch distributors?

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #287 on: December 19, 2014, 09:48:15 AM »
I may be wrong but I think he's referring to the issue some people have with jewish distributors who don't sell their chometz
thats a whole separate issue. the issue i was talking about is the fact that many of the bourbon distilleries are owned by jews who did not sell their chometz. when crc put out their list they knocked off a whole bunch of popular bourbons. I have not heard from any of the big poskim any heter to buy them. over time this will not be a issue as they all sell their chometz now. but we are quite a few years away from that.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #288 on: December 19, 2014, 09:53:11 AM »

thats a whole separate issue. the issue i was talking about is the fact that many of the bourbon distilleries are owned by jews who did not sell their chometz. when crc put out their list they knocked off a whole bunch of popular bourbons. I have not heard from any of the big poskim any heter to buy them. over time this will not be a issue as they all sell their chometz now. but we are quite a few years away from that.

When you say "many" do you mean Roiv?

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #289 on: December 19, 2014, 09:57:46 AM »

When you say "many" do you mean Roiv?
when I was in Kentucky the chabad rabbi told me that there used to be a few distilleries owners by the same Jew that didn't sell the chometz, he said he worked hard on it and now they do. Dont remember the names of the distilleries anymore.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #290 on: December 19, 2014, 11:40:43 AM »
when I was in Kentucky the chabad rabbi told me that there used to be a few distilleries owners by the same Jew that didn't sell the chometz, he said he worked hard on it and now they do. Dont remember the names of the distilleries anymore.

If Roiv are Jewish, then you have to be concerned, because it's a Roiv on a D'rabonon.  On the other hand....

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #291 on: December 19, 2014, 01:38:18 PM »
when I was in Kentucky the chabad rabbi told me that there used to be a few distilleries owners by the same Jew that didn't sell the chametz, he said he worked hard on it and now they do. Dont remember the names of the distilleries anymore.
+1 he told me the same thing.they own a big distilleries which produce a whole bunch of smaller brands. main one being buffalo trace.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Trace_Distillery.  which answers the roiv question. it is not a safek they know exactly which ones are jewish and which ones sold their chametz and what years.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #292 on: December 20, 2014, 07:37:30 PM »
As of now:
Best scotches
For 30-40: gentleman jack
For 40-60: ?
For 60-80: bolvini 14 yr Caribbean cask
For 80-100: glenlivet naddurah

Better suggestions are wanted!
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #293 on: December 20, 2014, 07:54:23 PM »
As of now:
Best scotches
For 30-40: gentleman jack
For 40-60: ?
For 60-80: bolvini 14 yr Caribbean cask
For 80-100: glenlivet naddurah

Better suggestions are wanted!

And Bourban ?

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #294 on: December 21, 2014, 07:26:48 PM »

As of now:
Best scotches
For 30-40: gentleman jack
For 40-60: ?
For 60-80: bolvini 14 yr Caribbean cask
For 80-100: glenlivet naddurah

Better suggestions are wanted!
Gentleman jack is not a scotch

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #295 on: December 21, 2014, 07:42:22 PM »
No one said it was new. Just that this was the first kashrus organization to follow that shita.
Might be the first in North America, but KLBD (London) and KA (Australia) have always allowed all scotch.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #296 on: December 21, 2014, 08:28:39 PM »
Glenlivit Nadurra is good stuff!!
MB Vineyards in Brooklyn has it on chanukkah sale for 69.99

As of now:
Best scotches
For 30-40: gentleman jack
For 40-60: ?
For 60-80: bolvini 14 yr Caribbean cask
For 80-100: glenlivet naddurah

Better suggestions are wanted!

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #297 on: December 21, 2014, 09:02:36 PM »

Glenlivit Nadurra is good stuff!!
MB Vineyards in Brooklyn has it on chanukkah sale for 69.99

I didn't like it all. JMHO.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #298 on: December 21, 2014, 09:09:45 PM »
I didn't like it all. JMHO.
Have you tried cutting it with spring water?
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #299 on: December 21, 2014, 09:24:23 PM »

Have you tried cutting it with spring water?

No, I haven't.  I usually reserve that for some strong bourbon like Bookers.