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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1160 on: August 15, 2018, 06:00:42 PM »
   That being true that means even if the bottle was kosher I would still have a problem of חמץ שעבר על פסח?
That's why it's not kosher.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1161 on: August 15, 2018, 06:03:31 PM »
That's why it's not kosher.
IIRC the person who gave it to me picked it up from a Jewish store, but your saying it's not kosher.
  Is there any kashrus agency to ask regarding this bottle?
  I doubt my lor would know about this bottle.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1162 on: August 15, 2018, 06:15:14 PM »
IIRC the person who gave it to me picked it up from a Jewish store, but your saying it's not kosher.
  Is there any kashrus agency to ask regarding this bottle?
  I doubt my lor would know about this bottle.
The star-k list says it's not recommended. You can ask your LOR about the chametz sheovar issue in general.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1163 on: August 15, 2018, 06:20:47 PM »
The star-k list says it's not recommended. You can ask your LOR about the chametz sheovar issue in general.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1164 on: August 16, 2018, 12:17:57 AM »
IIRC the person who gave it to me picked it up from a Jewish store, but your saying it's not kosher.
  Is there any kashrus agency to ask regarding this bottle?
  I doubt my lor would know about this bottle.
Some Poskim hold it’s not a problem, since bourbon is only kitniyos sheavar Pesach.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1165 on: August 16, 2018, 12:21:00 AM »
Some Poskim hold it’s not a problem, since bourbon is only kitniyos sheavar Pesach.
Didnt think of that, interesting to hear that there's 2 sides to the argument, I guess that's why you should ask your LOR.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1166 on: August 16, 2018, 12:55:17 AM »
https://oukosher.org/publications/bourbon-sheavar-hapesach/

The Sazerac company brands, including buffalo trace, blantons, eagle rare, pappy and many more, owned by the Goldring family, don't sell their chometz and thats where problems arise.
However the Heaven Hill brand(Parker's, evan williams, elijah craig), owned by the shapira family, sell their chometz and is kosher-see star-k list.
All other major bourbon brands are owned by non-jews.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1167 on: August 16, 2018, 01:32:32 AM »
https://oukosher.org/publications/bourbon-sheavar-hapesach/

The Sazerac company brands, including buffalo trace, blantons, eagle rare, pappy and many more, owned by the Goldring family, don't sell their chometz and thats where problems arise.
However the Heaven Hill brand(Parker's, evan williams, elijah craig), owned by the shapira family, sell their chometz and is kosher-see star-k list.
Thanks.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1168 on: August 16, 2018, 01:42:07 AM »
Thanks.
Sure.
I'm assuming there's an argument the other way, because most kosher stores sell these products, I just haven't heard it yet. All kashrus lists 'do not recommend' them.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2018, 01:45:32 AM by kayjay »

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1169 on: August 16, 2018, 03:37:59 AM »
Some Poskim hold it’s not a problem, since bourbon is only kitniyos sheavar Pesach.
Didnt think of that, interesting to hear that there's 2 sides to the argument, I guess that's why you should ask your LOR.
This is inaccurate, bourbon has actual chametz. Bourbon mash has to be 51% corn, and usually contains rye or barley as a significant second ingredient. There is a different heter, not to buy, but to keep, because of hefsed, discussed on the forums previously.
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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1170 on: August 16, 2018, 03:38:27 AM »
Sure.
I'm assuming there's an argument the other way, because most kosher stores sell these products, I just haven't heard it yet. All kashrus lists 'do not recommend' them.
Not a rayah to anything

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1171 on: August 16, 2018, 03:40:11 AM »
https://oukosher.org/publications/bourbon-sheavar-hapesach/

The Sazerac company brands, including buffalo trace, blantons, eagle rare, pappy and many more, owned by the Goldring family, don't sell their chometz and thats where problems arise.
However the Heaven Hill brand(Parker's, evan williams, elijah craig), owned by the shapira family, sell their chometz and is kosher-see star-k list.
All other major bourbon brands are owned by non-jews.
With the shapira stuff, you have to compare when they started selling to the vintage of the bottle.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1172 on: August 16, 2018, 09:38:58 AM »
Shoooot E.H Taylor is owned by them (my favorite) and many many more!

http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfolio.aspx?parent=OR99&PCID=7&FID=140&NBid=1

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1173 on: August 16, 2018, 09:52:55 AM »
https://oukosher.org/publications/bourbon-sheavar-hapesach/

The Sazerac company brands, including buffalo trace, blantons, eagle rare, pappy and many more, owned by the Goldring family, don't sell their chometz and thats where problems arise.
However the Heaven Hill brand(Parker's, evan williams, elijah craig), owned by the shapira family, sell their chometz and is kosher-see star-k list.
All other major bourbon brands are owned by non-jews.

The article concludes they could certify. DId they certify?

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1174 on: August 16, 2018, 10:25:25 AM »
The article concludes they could certify. DId they certify?
In this case the Sazerac company is fully owned by jews so i believe they didn't certify it.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1175 on: August 16, 2018, 10:27:32 AM »
In this case the Sazerac company is fully owned by jews so i believe they didn't certify it.
I remember reading somewhere that they certified some of it for the future

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1176 on: August 16, 2018, 10:34:38 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that they certified some of it for the future
I believe that is for their Van Goh Vodka products which have an OU. Not sure about other products.

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Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
« Reply #1177 on: August 16, 2018, 10:40:14 AM »
I believe that is for their Van Goh Vodka products which have an OU. Not sure about other products.
No it's for Buffalo trace - https://m.state-journal.com/2017/07/20/kosher-bourbon-buffalo-trace-jewish-owned-since-1992

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