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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1240 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:43 PM »
It's does, somewhere way back I posted that some Airlines do charge US tax

Yes I see something
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11564.msg884833#msg884833
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.1005

But still don't understand is this a legit tax or not?

from this FT thread https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1282906-ba-collecting-usa-international-facilities-tax-award-tickets-5.html it seems BA used to collect it on awards with not YQ but eventually stopped. It would seem that SQ is doing the same thing, collecting it on otherwise free tickets which should be exempt.

I already bought the ticket from SQ, so would love to get advice on if this extra charge is incorrect and how to get it refunded


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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1241 on: October 25, 2017, 12:38:48 PM »
AC also have that $18 extra in taxes on USA awards

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1242 on: October 25, 2017, 01:56:39 PM »
I am comparing booking an award on united direct TLV-EWR with United miles vs Singapore miles, there seems to be a discrepancy in the taxes being charged. I thought the taxes and awards were the same no matter which miles you use to book, as long as there are no extra fees or fuel charges?

See attached on the same exact flight, Singapore seems to be adding an extra $24.50 SGD that United is not charging
Normal. AC also charges more for UA domestic flights than UA does.
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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1243 on: October 25, 2017, 05:28:34 PM »
It's does, somewhere way back I posted that some Airlines do charge US tax

so you are saying there is an optional $18 tax that airlines can choose to enforce and UA chooses not to? doesnt sound right

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1244 on: October 25, 2017, 05:31:10 PM »
I don't think you read what I wrote, these are mandatory government taxes, not YQ. how can one airline charge a government tax while another airline doesn't?

the tax either exists or it doesn't it shouldn't make a difference who is issuing the ticket

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1245 on: October 25, 2017, 06:07:45 PM »
so you are saying there is an optional $18 tax that airlines can choose to enforce and UA chooses not to? doesnt sound right
the tax exists on revenue tickets, for mileage tickets only airlines that charge yq charge it since the yq automatically triggers the tax

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1246 on: October 26, 2017, 09:40:13 AM »
the tax exists on revenue tickets, for mileage tickets only airlines that charge yq charge it since the yq automatically triggers the tax

But singapore does not charge YQ on United flights booked with points

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1247 on: October 28, 2017, 11:30:43 PM »
the tax exists on revenue tickets, for mileage tickets only airlines that charge yq charge it since the yq automatically triggers the tax

If you look at the attachments to my post no YQ is being charged on either site

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.msg1819054#msg1819054

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1248 on: October 30, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »
so what gives? is Singapore justified in collecting this tax?

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1249 on: October 30, 2017, 09:50:52 AM »
If you look at the attachments to my post no YQ is being charged on either site

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.msg1819054#msg1819054
yes but I think that because their system collects yq on mileage tickets it triggers the tax even if the specific ticket doesn't have the yq charge

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1250 on: October 30, 2017, 12:25:20 PM »
yes but I think that because their system collects yq on mileage tickets it triggers the tax even if the specific ticket doesn't have the yq charge

so there are gov taxes that only exist for revenue tickets and mileage tickets with YQ?  would love to see something in writing about that as I always assumed gov taxes are not negotiable

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1251 on: October 30, 2017, 05:31:21 PM »
so what gives? is Singapore justified in collecting this tax?

Yes.  I believe other airlines simply absorb this tax.

Again, just like AC charges the "Passenger Facility Charge" (XF) tax on domestic NA bookings, but not US, whereas UA (and I believe SQ), only charges AY.
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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1252 on: October 30, 2017, 09:27:30 PM »
Yes.  I believe other airlines simply absorb this tax.

Again, just like AC charges the "Passenger Facility Charge" (XF) tax on domestic NA bookings, but not US, whereas UA (and I believe SQ), only charges AY.

I found this on FT, from skimming through it seems that for "free" mileage tickets that tax should not be collected

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/1002004.pdf

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1254 on: October 31, 2017, 09:39:32 AM »
Yes.  I believe other airlines simply absorb this tax.

Again, just like AC charges the "Passenger Facility Charge" (XF) tax on domestic NA bookings, but not US, whereas UA (and I believe SQ), only charges AY.

so these other airlines pay the tax for you? hard to really understand as why would some airlines would absorb a tax that is owed by the passenger/customer; airlines are a business and its not like they would be doing anything that would raise the ire of customers as gov taxes are the responsibility of the passenger

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« Reply #1255 on: October 31, 2017, 09:47:32 AM »
so these other airlines pay the tax for you? hard to really understand as why would some airlines would absorb a tax that is owed by the passenger/customer; airlines are a business and its not like they would be doing anything that would raise the ire of customers as gov taxes are the responsibility of the passenger
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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1256 on: October 31, 2017, 01:11:26 PM »
If you look at the attachments to my post no YQ is being charged on either site

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.msg1819054#msg1819054

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1257 on: November 14, 2017, 02:00:36 PM »
Excited about being able to book Star Alliance partner flight online. Less so about devaluation.
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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1258 on: November 14, 2017, 02:15:01 PM »
Yes.  I believe other airlines simply absorb this tax.

Again, just like AC charges the "Passenger Facility Charge" (XF) tax on domestic NA bookings, but not US, whereas UA (and I believe SQ), only charges AY.
I think its the other way around a free ticket should not be charged these taxes but some airlines don't bother writing a separate tax algorithm for award tickets and just charge for all tickets the same taxes regardless of the irs regulations

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Re: Singapore Airlines
« Reply #1259 on: November 14, 2017, 02:17:27 PM »
I think its the other way around a free ticket should not be charged these taxes but some airlines don't bother writing a separate tax algorithm for award tickets and just charge for all tickets the same taxes regardless of the irs regulations
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