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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #400 on: October 01, 2017, 09:04:06 AM »
$46,800?
That's nuts. I hope the money goes to charity, not to the shul for landscaping

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #401 on: October 01, 2017, 09:16:04 AM »

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #402 on: October 01, 2017, 09:29:39 AM »
netz in yerushalyim
5:50-8:30 shachris-musaf
5:20-7:05 mincha-neila
This is when I say HOLY S**T  :o

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #403 on: October 01, 2017, 10:00:56 AM »
8:00-8:00. I came at 9:15.

Break in between of 30 minutes.

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #404 on: October 01, 2017, 11:44:31 AM »
Your my new rabbi! If u say no yeshiva, no yeshiva it is!

Look my beef with yeshivot is that they turn out robots. Kavana somehow equals getting all intense and screaming and shuckeling.

I mean yeah I daven loudly and at times and feel very spiritual and emotional but it's also about knowing what you're saying as rav jb soloveitchik wrote "one needs to ensure that his emotions are tempered, or it's like an overflowing river that destroys all"

Perhaps my teachers did not know better but the story of rav amram and unisane tokef is nice but he didn't write it, Cairo geniza documents show it's much older.

But piyut is powerful and you need to read a lot if not most in English, you need to know backgrounds,  we are missing out.

If you take the time to read the history of each tefillah like why the shliach tzibur says heyei am pifiyot or ochila lael achale laad ( tur orach Chaim 591)

Or where does viduy stem from?  Part is from Daniel's prayer etc.

But truly if you read the tefillot in English and know the background, you will be changed forever.


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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #405 on: October 01, 2017, 11:51:52 AM »
I think like because I don't just daven that we should incur zechut avot etc I connect with each and everyone of them as they prayed.. Its not just merely asking god to answer me as he answered Avraham, I try to place myself in Abraham's spot and pray to god as he did.

I try to picture the cohanim and the nation in the mikdash hearing the Shem meforash from the Cohen gadol and I'm filled with a sense of awe and prostate myself and loudly say Baruch Shem.

and this year, with all this culmination of intellectual, historical, philosophical preparation and prayers, when I said shema by Neila, I really felt this year that I was giving myself up Al kiddush hashem and it was terrifying but beautifully free.


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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #406 on: October 01, 2017, 11:52:14 AM »

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #407 on: October 01, 2017, 12:33:03 PM »

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #408 on: October 01, 2017, 12:44:26 PM »
Look my beef with yeshivot is that they turn out robots. Kavana somehow equals getting all intense and screaming and shuckeling.

I mean yeah I daven loudly and at times and feel very spiritual and emotional but it's also about knowing what you're saying as rav jb soloveitchik wrote "one needs to ensure that his emotions are tempered, or it's like an overflowing river that destroys all"

Perhaps my teachers did not know better but the story of rav amram and unisane tokef is nice but he didn't write it, Cairo geniza documents show it's much older.

But piyut is powerful and you need to read a lot if not most in English, you need to know backgrounds,  we are missing out.

If you take the time to read the history of each tefillah like why the shliach tzibur says heyei am pifiyot or ochila lael achale laad ( tur orach Chaim 591)

Or where does viduy stem from?  Part is from Daniel's prayer etc.

But truly if you read the tefillot in English and know the background, you will be changed forever.
I'll take the ohr zarua over your cario geniza theory any day of the week..
What generation do you propose it was authored?

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #409 on: October 01, 2017, 01:32:46 PM »
I'll take the ohr zarua over your cario geniza theory any day of the week..
What generation do you propose it was authored?

I'm quoting rabbi sacks...  He says cairo geniza documents show it to be as old as 6th century. I love how you term the geniza as kefira, next you'll call rav sz shechter an am haaretz?

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #410 on: October 01, 2017, 01:38:13 PM »
next you'll call rav sz shechter an am haaretz?
Assuming you're talking about who I think you're talking about, I wouldn't call him an am ha'aretz, but I wouldn't use the title "Rav" either.

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #411 on: October 01, 2017, 01:45:42 PM »
Assuming you're talking about who I think you're talking about, I wouldn't call him an am ha'aretz, but I wouldn't use the title "Rav" either.

Well he did have semicha. Would you call rav shaul Lieberman "rav"?

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #412 on: October 01, 2017, 02:14:14 PM »
8:00-8:00. I came at 9:15.

Break in between of 30 minutes.
That's pretty intense.

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #413 on: October 01, 2017, 04:50:03 PM »


. I love how you term the geniza as kefira, ?

Where did he do that?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #414 on: October 01, 2017, 04:52:17 PM »
I think like because I don't just daven that we should incur zechut avot etc I connect with each and everyone of them as they prayed.. Its not just merely asking god to answer me as he answered Avraham, I try to place myself in Abraham's spot and pray to god as he did.

I try to picture the cohanim and the nation in the mikdash hearing the Shem meforash from the Cohen gadol and I'm filled with a sense of awe and prostate myself and loudly say Baruch Shem.

and this year, with all this culmination of intellectual, historical, philosophical preparation and prayers, when I said shema by Neila, I really felt this year that I was giving myself up Al kiddush hashem and it was terrifying but beautifully free.
What works for you is great for you but won't work for everyone. To each his own.
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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #415 on: October 01, 2017, 09:40:39 PM »
I think like because I don't just daven that we should incur zechut avot etc I connect with each and everyone of them as they prayed.. Its not just merely asking god to answer me as he answered Avraham, I try to place myself in Abraham's spot and pray to god as he did.

I try to picture the cohanim and the nation in the mikdash hearing the Shem meforash from the Cohen gadol and I'm filled with a sense of awe and prostate myself and loudly say Baruch Shem.

and this year, with all this culmination of intellectual, historical, philosophical preparation and prayers, when I said shema by Neila, I really felt this year that I was giving myself up Al kiddush hashem and it was terrifying but beautifully free.
  Who told you that your supposed to picture yourself in abrahams spot ? We ask hasheam to grant our teffilos bezchus our fathers. Your not supposed to think that your like abraham! Who r u ??

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #416 on: October 01, 2017, 09:59:19 PM »
  Who told you that your supposed to picture yourself in abrahams spot ? We ask hasheam to grant our teffilos bezchus our fathers. Your not supposed to think that your like abraham! Who r u ??
If that is what works for him to daven well let him do it
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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #417 on: October 01, 2017, 10:17:31 PM »
7a-7:38p with an 11 minute break.
7a-7:43p(approx), with a 17 minute break.

(see linked post for different years)

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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #418 on: October 01, 2017, 10:20:41 PM »


8:00-8:00. I came at 9:15.
I appreciate your honesty.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« Reply #419 on: October 01, 2017, 10:31:02 PM »
I appreciate your honesty.
Sounds like he didn't miss much