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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1280 on: October 03, 2018, 11:09:12 PM »
Are you guys both referring to the Red/Black Amazon Fire deal ?
im also confused as to what they are talking about

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1281 on: October 03, 2018, 11:11:37 PM »
Are you guys both referring to the Red/Black Amazon Fire deal ?
Yes, sir

Several weeks ago MYS sent a wrong link - even though they specified in the description which item they meant but they still honored it.
Glad to see one group has the guts to stand behind their screw up, instead of telling their buyers to go pound sound....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1282 on: October 03, 2018, 11:19:18 PM »
Pretty ironic that they both sent out the wrong link for the exact same thing by mistake  ::)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1283 on: October 04, 2018, 01:52:38 AM »
Pretty ironic that they both sent out the wrong link for the exact same thing by mistake  ::)
Ironic is the wrong word.

And then this happened yesterday:

"*Attention Buyers *

For the sake of "Kedushas Yom Tov", ***** takes great pride in the fact that we do absolutely NO business during Yom Tov, and Chol Hamoed.

With that, if anyone placed orders using last weeks ebay deal promo code​ below are the prices we are offering per item."

And then promptly offered 50¢ more for most items that everyone else bought for a different buying group.
 
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1284 on: October 04, 2018, 01:58:36 AM »
And then promptly offered 50¢ more for most items that everyone else bought for a different buying group.
 
Who cares who you bought it for? There’s no commitment and no tax exempt when buying on eBay....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1285 on: October 04, 2018, 02:57:15 AM »

And then this happened yesterday:

"*Attention Buyers *

For the sake of "Kedushas Yom Tov", ***** takes great pride in the fact that we do absolutely NO business during Yom Tov, and Chol Hamoed.

With that, if anyone placed orders using last weeks ebay deal promo code​ below are the prices we are offering per item."

And then promptly offered 50¢ more for most items that everyone else bought for a different buying group.
 
I don't see the problem with the extra 50¢. But when I was reading that email I was like huh? You don't do business on chol hamoed but benefit from others doing business on chol hamoed?
This was a general question that I had on them. Nothing to do with their business. If it was a different buying group I'd have the same question.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1286 on: October 04, 2018, 03:10:21 AM »
USA vs MYS

USA:
 "In order for this group to be successful,  the relationship must be a 2-way street. First and foremost, we NEVER want our buyers to be losing money. However if the price does drop before an item is brought in, we ask that you work with us so we can pay that price"

MYS:
 "In the event that a price changes, we will happily honor the previous price, so long as it is within a reasonable time frame, and proof of purchase is available"

choice is yours.........
Actions speak louder than words.  My experience was waay better with usa buying
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1287 on: October 04, 2018, 09:19:14 AM »



And then this happened yesterday:

"*Attention Buyers *

For the sake of "Kedushas Yom Tov", ***** takes great pride in the fact that we do absolutely NO business during Yom Tov, and Chol Hamoed.

With that, if anyone placed orders using last weeks ebay deal promo code​ below are the prices we are offering per item."

And then promptly offered 50¢ more for most items that everyone else bought for a different buying group.
 
I'm assuming this is from MYS...
Pretty strange email regardless..

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1288 on: October 04, 2018, 10:06:55 AM »
Actions speak louder than words.  My experience was waay better with usa buying
I agree. Anytime something came up, they worked with me, to immediately solve it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1289 on: October 04, 2018, 11:53:20 AM »
I lost a lot more then a few hundred dollars with MYS....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1290 on: October 04, 2018, 11:56:38 AM »
Who cares who you bought it for? There’s no commitment and no tax exempt when buying on eBay....
i disagree. It’s one thing if you buy without specific attention for one of them but in this case it’s borderline stealing on their part

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1291 on: October 04, 2018, 12:14:20 PM »
Plenty of people myself included buy from eBay without committing

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1292 on: October 04, 2018, 01:07:03 PM »
i disagree. It’s one thing if you buy without specific attention for one of them but in this case it’s borderline stealing on their part
Stealing ? Say what ??
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1293 on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
Plenty of people myself included buy from eBay without committing
This case is a little bit different because this case USA was the only buying group who sent out a list of this item. so the reason you bought it was only because USA was willing to pay you for it you would have never bought it if not for USA and only USA posting about it. Afterwards his other group came and tried to poach it from the only group anyone bought it for. If there were a few groups who posted and then you bought it without deciding which group you will give it to you I understand but in a case where only one ask for it and later after you bought it different one asked for it you clearly only bought it for the one that asked for it before you bought it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1294 on: October 04, 2018, 03:18:14 PM »
This case is a little bit different because this case USA was the only buying group who sent out a list of this item. so the reason you bought it was only because USA was willing to pay you for it you would have never bought it if not for USA and only USA posting about it. Afterwards his other group came and tried to poach it from the only group anyone bought it for. If there were a few groups who posted and then you bought it without deciding which group you will give it to you I understand but in a case where only one ask for it and later after you bought it different one asked for it you clearly only bought it for the one that asked for it before you bought it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1295 on: October 04, 2018, 03:19:28 PM »
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I know 2 other groups who bought them as well.
In any case you definitely didn't buy it for the group that sent out that message a few days later.

But now it gets a little more complicated because now you don't have a definite commitment.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1296 on: October 04, 2018, 03:27:30 PM »
Whenever there was an ebay coupon they would always buy these items so it it's pretty safe to assume that they would be willing to take them this time as well

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1297 on: October 04, 2018, 03:50:41 PM »
I lost a lot more then a few hundred dollars with MYS....
As a buyer or vendor?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1298 on: October 04, 2018, 09:48:42 PM »
In any case you definitely didn't buy it for the group that sent out that message a few days later.

But now it gets a little more complicated because now you don't have a definite commitment.
Care to explain the logic, as to how there is any sort of commitment to a group when buying from eBay ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1299 on: October 04, 2018, 09:52:06 PM »
Just because you click on some guys link to buy an item that doesn't bind you to sell to them. Heck, you can go and resell the item yourself. Them sending you the deal doesn't mean anything.

And when buying groups themselves fail to 100% honor their own commitment to the deals they send out, why should any buyer feel the need to....
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