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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1320 on: October 12, 2018, 10:00:06 AM »
e-check has nothing to do with paypal. its a check that you print from ur email. its no different than if they were to send you a check in the mail

oh ok. has anyone had any IRS form produced as being part of a buying group ? just wondering if I have to report anything. Thanks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1321 on: October 12, 2018, 11:14:40 AM »
oh ok. has anyone had any IRS form produced as being part of a buying group ? just wondering if I have to report anything. Thanks!
if ur one of those people that report income - this would be included under that . MYS buying group gives a 1099 upon request
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1322 on: October 12, 2018, 11:30:16 AM »
Here we go .. the classic buying group tax discussion that pops up in whatsapp every once in a while

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1323 on: October 12, 2018, 11:47:17 AM »
Here we go .. the classic buying group tax discussion that pops up in whatsapp every once in a while
Not sure what the discussion would be.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1324 on: October 12, 2018, 01:33:39 PM »
Not sure what the discussion would be.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1325 on: October 14, 2018, 06:01:46 AM »
Do any of these groups do direct deposit?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1326 on: October 14, 2018, 07:57:55 AM »
oh ok. has anyone had any IRS form produced as being part of a buying group ? just wondering if I have to report anything. Thanks!
You have to report money earned, obviously. Sole proprietor, take money earned, minus money spent - what you made is what you tax. Of course you'll run into issues such as best buy rewards paying for some items, do you need to pay taxes on that and such...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1327 on: October 14, 2018, 07:58:22 AM »
Do any of these groups do direct deposit?
Some if you order enough will do an ACH.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1328 on: October 15, 2018, 01:41:22 PM »
Do any of these groups do direct deposit?
If you are around the Five towns there is a guy that does it in FR (on a much smaller scale) and pays you via DD.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1329 on: October 16, 2018, 01:23:11 PM »
Do any of these groups do direct deposit?
Yes I'm in a group that does ACH, not sure if they are looking to grow or not

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1330 on: October 21, 2018, 11:18:58 AM »
It seems that MYS have updated their terms. They just sent this to all their members (which I'd say is pretty fair):

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Important Information:

Any item that MYS Buying Group broadcasts for you to purchase, is guaranteed by MYS that we will purchase that item at the posted price.

Understand, however, that often times this commitment to you comes at a price to us, as the value of these items fluctuate on the market.

With that, we are putting forth the following terms:

MYS Buying group is committing to purchase any item that we broadcast for up to 10 days from the last time that item was posted unless specified differently.
 
HOWEVER, we reserve the right to refuse these from buyers who are not frequent buyers for MYS Buying Group. This will be determined by an admin at the time of drop off/pickup.

In order for the buying group to be a successful venture for all of us, loyalty is key, and it must be mutual.

We are committing to take your items, but we will not become a "Dumping Ground" for buyers to bring merchandise that is being refused by the buying groups which they frequent.

We appercaite your understanding and look forward to continued business with you.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1331 on: October 22, 2018, 03:58:30 AM »
It seems that MYS have updated their terms. They just sent this to all their members (which I'd say is pretty fair):
Besides for the part where you won’t know if they are going to take it until the pick up/drop off. They should have a clearer system.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1332 on: October 22, 2018, 07:04:37 AM »
Besides for the part where you won’t know if they are going to take it until the pick up/drop off. They should have a clearer system.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1333 on: October 22, 2018, 09:42:42 AM »
I didn't understand that message. At first I thought they are guaranteeing their price for 10 days but on closer reading it seems that even if it's within the 10 days and there is no message saying "stop buying xyz" it still may not be accepted at their discretion. I'll text an admin. They lost me until/unless that is clarified.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1334 on: October 22, 2018, 09:47:43 AM »
I didn't understand that message. At first I thought they are guaranteeing their price for 10 days but on closer reading it seems that even if it's within the 10 days and there is no message saying "stop buying xyz" it still may not be accepted at their discretion. I'll text an admin. They lost me until/unless that is clarified.
Simple, you have 10 days from when its posted.
If you are dumping products that lost value on them, it's a different story.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1335 on: October 22, 2018, 09:49:19 AM »
Simple, you have 10 days from when its posted.
If you are dumping products that lost value on them, it's a different story.
Define the difference between dumping products and just being a little behind on your dropoffs.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1336 on: October 22, 2018, 09:50:50 AM »
Simple, you have 10 days from when its posted.
If you are dumping products that lost value on them, it's a different story.
It shouldn't be different - they should broadcast "stop buying" and if it's purchased after that point then there is no guarantee but before that point yes guarantee. As it stands now, there are no guarantees even 1 day later?? I just focus on buying, it makes no sense to put that onus of keeping track of resale market on the buyers imo.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1337 on: October 22, 2018, 09:54:53 AM »
Buying groups are dying, I think they're just trying to stop hemorrhaging money for things that they don't have to.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1338 on: October 22, 2018, 09:56:07 AM »


Buying groups are *evolving, I think they're just trying to stop hemorrhaging money for things that they don't have to.

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« Reply #1339 on: October 22, 2018, 09:56:36 AM »

FTFY
Oh please do explain that to me.
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