Author Topic: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others  (Read 471464 times)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1500 on: November 02, 2018, 10:12:23 AM »
I died at "BOZO HEAD raging idiot" aka, the go F yourself of the yeshivish community. Clearly dripping with rage with that all caps. My god that was funny!

If you're offended by that, sorry but throw me a bone, I am an outsider myself at times in these parts being modern orthodox and deserve that laugh

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1501 on: November 02, 2018, 10:12:36 AM »
Like that changes anything? Basically, you're saying that someone who is known on the forums should feel comfortable sending hateful messages via PM because at least the person they're sending it to doesn't know who they are, so in that way they can remain anonymous.
Maybe you've had that conversation, but that doesn't make the matter settled. In fact, that position is exceedingly silly. I'm under no obligation to keep your messages private, just because you sent it to me only. To put it more clearly, the fact that one member messages the other out of the blue does not create any sort of obligation of privacy. There's an expectation of privacy in most reasonable matters, but I would say this is clearly not a reasonable matter.

Let's just take this to the extreme. If someone tries to extort me through PM, should I respect their privacy? If they send me links to filth, should I respect their privacy? If they're trying to scam - or even just spam - me, should I respect their privacy?

I'll give you a simple rule for PM's. If you're sending a PM to someone that's adversarial in nature, don't expect it to stay private. Why should they feel an obligation to your privacy while you call them a "BOZO HEAD raging idiot”?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1502 on: November 02, 2018, 10:14:08 AM »
I died at "BOZO HEAD raging idiot" aka, the go F yourself of the yeshivish community. Clearly dripping with rage with that all caps. My god that was funny!

If you're offended by that, sorry but throw me a bone, I am an outsider myself at times in these parts being modern orthodox and deserve that laugh
Uh ok.
Bozo head. Tbh I've never seen that used aside from when used for comedic effect.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1503 on: November 02, 2018, 10:38:03 AM »
Some on here are willing to protect a con-artist, or more likely someone who did shady stuff knowing the risk and fell through it as should be expected, because they know the guy and belong to their yeshivish crowd.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1504 on: November 02, 2018, 10:40:15 AM »
Some on here are willing to protect a con-artist, or more likely someone who did shady stuff knowing the risk and fell through it as should be expected, because they know the guy and belong to their yeshivish crowd.
Nobody here is protecting anybody. If the guy doesn't feel comfortable posting the name because he hasn't completely verified the story, then it would be halachically prohibited to post it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1505 on: November 02, 2018, 11:06:38 AM »
Get off your high horse and pick something useful to be such a kanai about.
Ah. So you wanna call out cmey for posting an unsolicited nasty PM, and I'm on a high horse. Got it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1506 on: November 02, 2018, 01:05:55 PM »
Get off your high horse and pick something useful to be such a kanai about.
You do realize how immature you sound right?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1507 on: November 02, 2018, 01:08:09 PM »
You do realize how immature you sound right?
Yea, of course, that's my MO, didn't you know?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1508 on: November 02, 2018, 01:27:52 PM »
Like that changes anything? Basically, you're saying that someone who is known on the forums should feel comfortable sending hateful messages via PM because at least the person they're sending it to doesn't know who they are, so in that way they can remain anonymous.
Maybe you've had that conversation, but that doesn't make the matter settled. In fact, that position is exceedingly silly. I'm under no obligation to keep your messages private, just because you sent it to me only. To put it more clearly, the fact that one member messages the other out of the blue does not create any sort of obligation of privacy. There's an expectation of privacy in most reasonable matters, but I would say this is clearly not a reasonable matter.

Let's just take this to the extreme. If someone tries to extort me through PM, should I respect their privacy? If they send me links to filth, should I respect their privacy? If they're trying to scam - or even just spam - me, should I respect their privacy?

I'll give you a simple rule for PM's. If you're sending a PM to someone that's adversarial in nature, don't expect it to stay private. Why should they feel an obligation to your privacy while you call them a "BOZO HEAD raging idiot”?
Never thought you would be on my list of members that can't be trusted.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1509 on: November 02, 2018, 01:36:48 PM »
Never thought you would be on my list of members that can't be trusted.


I agree with CM for once, there's a general "honor amongst thieves" or an unspoken generall unbroken rule on the internet not to reveal private messages.. hence the name.

I say you can reference to something, but reposting is a sort of privacy violation.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1510 on: November 02, 2018, 01:40:10 PM »

I agree with CM for once, there's a general "honor amongst thieves" or an unspoken generall unbroken rule on the internet not to reveal private messages.. hence the name.

I say you can reference to something, but reposting is a sort of privacy violation.
Now if PM stood for "Post Message" it would be a different story.  :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1511 on: November 02, 2018, 01:46:40 PM »
Now if PM stood for "Post Message" it would be a different story.  :)

CM stands for comment messages..

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1512 on: November 02, 2018, 02:16:49 PM »
Never thought you would be on my list of members that can't be trusted.

I agree with CM for once, there's a general "honor amongst thieves" or an unspoken generall unbroken rule on the internet not to reveal private messages.. hence the name.

I say you can reference to something, but reposting is a sort of privacy violation.
Let's put it this way: I have never, and probably will never, posted a PM someone sent me. If I had received this particular message, I'd probably have ignored it. But I have no problem with someone exposing this kind of behavior by posting it. The message itself was not private in nature - the member decided they wanted to tell cmey off - in very juvenile fashion - but didn't feel so strongly about it that they were comfortable posting it 'publicly'. To me, that's just being a jerk and a coward. I don't feel the need to extend any courtesies implied by the PM system to such a person,

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1513 on: November 02, 2018, 02:26:09 PM »
To me, that's just being a jerk and a coward.
Just put them on ignore and be done with it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1514 on: November 02, 2018, 02:28:55 PM »
Just put them on ignore and be done with it.
Like I said, if it was me I'd have ignored it. But that doesn't discourage this type of behavior. Posting it does.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1515 on: November 02, 2018, 02:29:50 PM »
Let's put it this way: I have never, and probably will never, posted a PM someone sent me. If I had received this particular message, I'd probably have ignored it. But I have no problem with someone exposing this kind of behavior by posting it. The message itself was not private in nature - the member decided they wanted to tell cmey off - in very juvenile fashion - but didn't feel so strongly about it that they were comfortable posting it 'publicly'. To me, that's just being a jerk and a coward. I don't feel the need to extend any courtesies implied by the PM system to such a person,

Problem is, where do you draw the line and who gets to decide? I don't think anyone cares about this particular instance, but more about having a hard rule.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1516 on: November 02, 2018, 02:46:27 PM »
Problem is, where do you draw the line and who gets to decide? I don't think anyone cares about this particular instance, but more about having a hard rule.
posting PM's should not be done under any circumstances without the approval of the sender or a mod. Idc what you feel about the situation, it's not your place. If you don't like it, place them on ignore.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1517 on: November 02, 2018, 02:55:40 PM »
posting PM's should not be done under any circumstances without the approval of the sender or a mod. Idc what you feel about the situation, it's not your place. If you don't like it, place them on ignore.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1518 on: November 02, 2018, 03:11:59 PM »
posting PM's should not be done under any circumstances without the approval of the sender or a mod. Idc what you feel about the situation, it's not your place. If you don't like it, place them on ignore.
huh?! why in the world should a mod be able decide on "private" messages?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1519 on: November 02, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »

Maybe you've had that conversation, but that doesn't make the matter settled.
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