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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1740 on: January 29, 2019, 11:23:05 PM »
We're the victims primarily from CH?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1742 on: January 29, 2019, 11:48:03 PM »
We're the victims primarily from CH?
The one victim I know of is from OOT but with ties to CH.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1743 on: January 30, 2019, 06:37:32 PM »
is the version up now the same as the one that went up/down earlier?
@chbochur @sillypainter ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1744 on: January 30, 2019, 06:53:04 PM »
is the version up now the same as the one that went up/down earlier?
@chbochur @sillypainter ?

"Kingston Ave store" but no mention of which store?


For those in the know, is this the store that recently sold to a new owner?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1745 on: January 30, 2019, 07:16:07 PM »
is the version up now the same as the one that went up/down earlier?
@chbochur @sillypainter ?
yes.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1746 on: January 30, 2019, 07:20:10 PM »
is the version up now the same as the one that went up/down earlier?
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Pretty much the Same thing

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1747 on: January 30, 2019, 07:25:39 PM »
With this addition

Editors Note: This article was originally published two days ago and temporarily removed at the request of a number of the victims so that a meeting can be arranged. We have since reposted the article with Hopes and prayers that others actively engaged in such dealings don’t fall victim in a similar manner.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1748 on: January 30, 2019, 09:14:11 PM »
I don't see any name, so I dont see the reason of not posting it here.


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1750 on: January 31, 2019, 11:48:06 AM »
If anyone was scammed and wants to tell their story but remain anonymous, please email Dan@DansDeals.com

Please be as detailed as possible with as much proof as possible. All names will be kept private.

Feel free to pass along to anyone that was scammed with this type of scheme...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1751 on: January 31, 2019, 12:36:34 PM »
If anyone was scammed and wants to tell their story but remain anonymous, please email Dan@DansDeals.com

Please be as detailed as possible with as much proof as possible. All names will be kept private.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1752 on: January 31, 2019, 01:08:13 PM »
Regarding the Ribbis issues.
If you find yourself in a situation where there already was interest incurred and paid by a third party.
Speak to your LOR as it may be possible to set up a heter iskah even for interest already paid.
The sooner the better as it gets more complicated as the amount rises.

And yeah, don't let other people use your card, you'll end up suffering in this world and possibly the next one too.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1753 on: January 31, 2019, 01:15:18 PM »
If anyone was scammed and wants to tell their story but remain anonymous, please email Dan@DansDeals.com

Please be as detailed as possible with as much proof as possible. All names will be kept private.

Feel free to pass along to anyone that was scammed with this type of scheme...
I did forward to those who lost in this scheme. But (imho) it's hard to justify calling this a scam

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1754 on: January 31, 2019, 01:17:55 PM »
(imho) it's hard to justify calling this a scam
I have a feeling those who's cards were swiped the day before it fell apart might disagree.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1755 on: January 31, 2019, 01:21:52 PM »
I have a feeling those who's cards were swiped the day before it fell apart might disagree.
Not sure about that. From the ones I know none of them are calling him a thief. They just feel he made terrible business decisions with their money.
As opposed to the other situation that happened last year in ch which they call him a thief that scammed them of their money

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1756 on: January 31, 2019, 01:27:43 PM »
I did forward to those who lost in this scheme. But (imho) it's hard to justify calling this a scam
do the people who lost $$$ agree with you that its hard to justify calling it a scam? or do they maybe think that by him swiping the cards so soon before it fell apart he knew he was in trouble, which kinda makes it easy to call it a scam?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1757 on: January 31, 2019, 01:28:59 PM »
do the people who lost $$$ agree with you that its hard to justify calling it a scam? or do they maybe think that by him swiping the cards so soon before it fell apart he knew he was in trouble, which kinda makes it easy to call it a scam?
You can say that months ago when he knew he was using cards to pay off the other cards

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1758 on: January 31, 2019, 01:29:53 PM »
If the victims knew what 'scam' means, they might've not fallen into this trap in the first place.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1759 on: January 31, 2019, 01:32:09 PM »
You can say that months ago when he knew he was using cards to pay off the other cards
yup you can say that . just in the beginning you can possibly say that he thought he had a way out. when you charge the cards the day before you go bust you have a lot less wiggle room
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