PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others

[skyguy918]

ETA:

There does seem to have been an allegation that defendant threatened to (and apparently followed through on) dispute the transactions as a result of some other dispute.




I foresee this being an issue for defendant (fraudulent chargebacks), the gmach (misuse of merchant agreement), and "K" (misuse of CCs). What a mess.

You can pick through the whatsapps there, though clearly the plaintiff edited what to include and what not, as it jumps around. By the end, the lender seems to be hounding the borrower for repayment, and the borrower doesn't seem to dispute that he owes money, just asks for more time.

That doesn't help the lender defend the chargebacks, but it gives some of the picture as to why they're even fighting in the first place.

[ExGingi]

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1

Amazing.

So an organization might lose its 501(c)(3) over this (presuming it has it), along with other potential consequences, did I hear anyone say (A)ML? It's scary to think where this might end for all parties.

[cmey]

Amazing.

So an organization might lose its 501(c)(3) over this (presuming it has it)

Interesting story but it’s a far cry from what most of this thread is about. He knew full well that he was dealing with a guy desperate for cash flow, and I’m willing to bet there was more going on here than just scoring a few million cc points והמבין יבין.

I do feel bad for the guy (both of them actually) but nowhere near as bad as for a gullible yungerman who sees an ad and thinks that it’s manna from heaven with no clue of what in the world he is getting into.

[joey89]

Interesting story but it’s a far cry from what most of this thread is about. He knew full well that he was dealing with a guy desperate for cash flow, and I’m willing to bet there was more going on here than just scoring a few million cc points והמבין יבין.

I do feel bad for the guy (both of them actually) but nowhere near as bad as for a gullible yungerman who sees an ad and thinks that it’s manna from heaven with no clue of what in the world he is getting into.

As stated in the suit, he was promised additional donations to his gemach for facilitating the transactions.

[zh cohen]

Interesting story but it’s a far cry from what most of this thread is about. He knew full well that he was dealing with a guy desperate for cash flow, and I’m willing to bet there was more going on here than just scoring a few million cc points והמבין יבין.

In the WhatsApps the borrower asks about "the price for 500"

[cmey]

As stated in the suit, he was promised additional donations to his gemach for facilitating the transactions.

I’m willing to bet there was more going on here.... והמבין יבין.

AFAIK Amex does not have super low charity interchange rates like visa so that wouldn’t explain why he chose to run it through the גמח....

[Yehuda25]

Skimmed it.  At first blush, it appears that despite being paid back in full, lender disputed the charges anyway.  That doesn't make much sense unless he was outright trying to defraud the gemach or the ultimate borrowers (but he had to know that a dispute against the gmach would not hurt the borrowers, unless he thought the dispute would cause the gmach to assert leverage on the borrowers to pay back money otherwise owed...).

I may have missed something that involved other deals and the lender not being paid back in full. But I agree, unless outright fraud, I don't see how lender disputes charges for which he's been paid back fully, unless something else is in there that I missed.

exactly...

[Yehuda25]

ETA:

There does seem to have been an allegation that defendant threatened to (and apparently followed through on) dispute the transactions as a result of some other dispute.




I foresee this being an issue for defendant (fraudulent chargebacks), the gmach (misuse of merchant agreement), and "K" (misuse of CCs). What a mess.

Ouch, though no one seems to know what this other dispute is about, and these charges were clearly authorized...

[zale]

Did a scary lady call you about lahyuhs in suits yet for posting this?

This scam will not be official until that lady calls.

[JACKBLUE]

I'm very confused..... from what i'm hearing there are multiple stories going on now in Brooklyn community.....
some lighting company.....
amazon company.......
Real estate investments....
bakery..........

[bermo]

I'm very confused..... from what i'm hearing there are multiple stories going on now in Brooklyn community.....
some lighting company.....
amazon company.......
Real estate investments....
bakery..........

Ripple effect....

[JACKBLUE]

Ripple effect....

?

[bermo]

?

People got scared off from the first story.

so now the company's that use cc swipes to pay back other people etc are having trouble paying back..

[yesitsme]

I'm very confused..... from what i'm hearing there are multiple stories going on now in Brooklyn community.....
some lighting company.....
amazon company.......
Real estate investments....
bakery..........

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[rileywiles23]

I'm very confused..... from what i'm hearing there are multiple stories going on now in Brooklyn community.....
some lighting company.....
amazon company.......
Real estate investments....
bakery..........

What are you confused about?
The world is full of scammers

[JACKBLUE]

Ok a fellow DDF’er is likely to be a victim he’s going to confirm if he’s really screwed and let’s hope he’ll contact Dan for 1st hand info.....

[yesitsme]

Ok a fellow DDF’er is likely to be a victim he’s going to confirm if he’s really screwed and let’s hope he’ll contact Dan for 1st hand info.....

Which case are you referring to?
is there anything we can do to help?

[JACKBLUE]

Which case are you referring to?
is there anything we can do to help?

Amazon
I don’t think so.

[Chief Rabbi of New York]

Ok a fellow DDF’er is likely to be a victim he’s going to confirm if he’s really screwed and let’s hope he’ll contact Dan for 1st hand info.....

How much did he get scammed ?
Also did the scammer pay at first ? Or he was scammed from the beginning ?

[JACKBLUE]

How much did he get scammed ?
Also did the scammer pay at first ? Or he was scammed from the beginning ?

over $100K.... I’m not sure if he ever got paid or its his 1st time but I know plenty of people that have done this the past 2 3 years in this same place and got paid....