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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2080 on: February 16, 2019, 09:37:13 PM »
at this stage, they most likely not paying anything
"the money is gone"

If that's the case , why hasn't @Dan posted a DDMS topic about this ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2081 on: February 16, 2019, 10:16:59 PM »
If that's the case , why hasn't @Dan posted a DDMS topic about this ?

I don't write articles based on articles.

If someone wants to email me first-hand details, then by all means.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2082 on: February 16, 2019, 10:24:32 PM »
So everyone knows that this actually happened or is it just rumors ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2083 on: February 16, 2019, 10:25:51 PM »
So everyone knows that this actually happened or is it just rumors ?
not rumors
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« Reply #2084 on: February 16, 2019, 10:27:13 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2085 on: February 16, 2019, 11:42:53 PM »
So everyone knows that this actually happened or is it just rumors ?


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2086 on: February 17, 2019, 12:07:11 AM »
How do you know ?
asside from pictures of cc statements, what else will satisfy you as verification,
Aside from ppl saying?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2087 on: February 17, 2019, 12:39:01 AM »
asside from pictures of cc statements, what else will satisfy you as verification,
Aside from ppl saying?
People that are actually victims speak out?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2088 on: February 17, 2019, 12:46:33 AM »
at this stage, they most likely not paying anything
"the money is gone"
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Most of the money is NOT gone
Itís locked up until the investigation is completed
Please post a source if you know otherwise

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2089 on: February 17, 2019, 12:50:23 AM »
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Most of the money is NOT gone
Itís locked up until the investigation is completed
Please post a source if you know otherwise
What's your source?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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FACTS!!
Most people that post hare were not involved and donít know the real story besides hearing from a 3rd hand what might of happened

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2092 on: February 17, 2019, 12:55:59 AM »
1st hand
Are you personally involved?
If not then what makes your info anymore firsthand then what everyone else is posting?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2093 on: February 17, 2019, 01:15:31 AM »
Wow, this is some scary stuff.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2094 on: February 17, 2019, 01:24:10 AM »
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Most of the money is NOT gone
Itís locked up until the investigation is completed
Please post a source if you know otherwise

Look if you don't want to believe it that's your choice,
I bh do not have any money tied up,
If it would indeed be as you say, they would tell their card holders that
Most ppl don't know that they will loose out, as they are only telling ppl as their build are getting due,
But the money is long long gone,
And now that their cc terminal is suspended, and they likely can't get it opened (cuz all the pending disputes) they won't be able to continue making payments, as they are only making payments from new charges,
Once they no longer can make charges, they no longer can make payments
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2095 on: February 17, 2019, 08:06:27 AM »
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Most of the money is NOT gone
Itís locked up until the investigation is completed
Please post a source if you know otherwise

Locked up where? Why? What investigation? About what and by whom? Until when?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2096 on: February 17, 2019, 10:34:34 AM »
Look if you don't want to believe it that's your choice,
I bh do not have any money tied up,
If it would indeed be as you say, they would tell their card holders that
Most ppl don't know that they will loose out, as they are only telling ppl as their build are getting due,
But the money is long long gone,
And now that their cc terminal is suspended, and they likely can't get it opened (cuz all the pending disputes) they won't be able to continue making payments, as they are only making payments from new charges,
Once they no longer can make charges, they no longer can make payments
Sounds like weíre talking about two different stories. Iím talking about the 20MM guy, what are you talking about?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2097 on: February 17, 2019, 10:37:37 AM »
All I know is that the frum world is down 25-50 million... Sad.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2098 on: February 17, 2019, 10:43:52 AM »
Locked up where? Why? What investigation? About what and by whom? Until when?
in short,
There is one processing company that a lot of these cc swipeírs used that caught on on what is happening so they froze all accounts and opened an investigation,
Some companies are bankrupt because of it and others arenít.
Some companies used it to pay previews debt and others to buy inventory and paid 3% for an 8 week turnaround.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2099 on: February 17, 2019, 10:54:32 AM »
All I know is that the frum world is down 25-50 million... Sad.

Not to scare you itís is 50-60M
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